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do people thrown in jail pay for their stay?

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tommo123

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i mean, you kill someone and go to jail, i presume the gov takes your money in bank accounts, your home and sells it etc to fund your incarceration?

if not, fucking do it
 
Most people who go to jail are poor.

If you could actually afford to cover the cost of your incarceration then you can afford a good enough lawyer to ensure that you do not get incarcerated in the first place.
 
(1)- The VAST majority of violent crimes are committed by people with only marginal amounts of $$ anyway.

(2)- Many of these criminals will leave behind wife/kids/whatever that could use whatever $$ is left, if any, and these people probably had nothing to do with the crime committed (otherwise they'd be charged as accessory/etc).

(3)- As idealogically pleasing as the idea would be to have the criminal pay, the costs of added beauracracy and associated bs would probably outreach the funds raised by such a program. We already have a fining system in place that judges can use, but in this manner I doubt it would help. A lot of what you describe is sort of automatic in eventuality anway. If someone had property that they owned, and didn't have family or whatever to take it over, then it would eventually be seized for failure to pay taxes.
 
To the best of my knowledge, unless the person's possessions were obtained through illegal activity for which the person is going to jail for, they don't seize people's things for payment.
 
tommo123 said:
i mean, you kill someone and go to jail, i presume the gov takes your money in bank accounts, your home and sells it etc to fund your incarceration?

if not, fucking do it
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Actually, I think they have a better healthcare plan than I do and they get jobs that pay (literally) a few cents an hour. Seriously though, what are you going to take from most of these people that are in prison? I would imagine a large part of why they are there is because they don't have anything, and with that, nothing to lose. Why not turn to crime?

May as well talk about welfare while we're at it.
 
classy said:
To the best of my knowledge, unless the person's possessions were obtained through illegal activity for which the person is going to jail for, they don't seize people's things for payment.
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I will say that I know many things that are used during certain crimes are seized all the time and sold/used for law enforcement purposes.

In Marin, the sheriff's warehouse was always pretty full of stuff that was seized, most of it was drug related.

In SF I used to know some undercover guys that used seized vehicles for undercover work.

Abalone poachers up on the north coast would get their vehicles seized, boats, gear, everything that enabled them to commit their felony. I used to see it all the time.

The actual confinement is something totally different though.
 
Actually yes, in some areas they charge prisoners a per diem which is collected while they are in jail if they can afford it and if not after they leave jail while on probation. I believe that the Crow Wing County jail in Minnesota even requires anyone on probation to return to jail if they fall behind on their payments.
 
We have private prisions which are bad enough, the last thing we need to do is turn incarcerating into even more of a lucrative business.
 
IceBergSLiM said:
explain?
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Using your logic that if they have to pay it becomes an incentive to put people in jail, the opposite could be true because in order to avoid the costs in a system where they do not pay for their stay would be to simply not jail them....

If the paying to be in jail was only recouping an accurate breakdown of the costs to the jail, there wouldn't be an incentive one way or the other though.
 
momeNt said:
Using your logic that if they have to pay it becomes an incentive to put people in jail, the opposite could be true because in order to avoid the costs in a system where they do not pay for their stay would be to simply not jail them....

If the paying to be in jail was only recouping an accurate breakdown of the costs to the jail, there wouldn't be an incentive one way or the other though.
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I dont follow.
 
i say put those busted for drugs into drug rehab clinics and make them pay for that instead of putting them in jail and either make them pay or we pay cause the latter would do nothing to prevent them from going back to their old habits again.
Some of the stupid laws on drugs are whats overcrowding prisons anyway imo.
I also think that when someone does their time, their record should be removed cause that prevents them from getting jobs even if their schooled in prison. I know a few people that have it hard finding jobs because of their past, a debt now paid.
 
momeNt said:
you trolling me bro?

Read my two posts both two times more. So you'll be reading 4 posts in total, 2 unique posts twice. If you still don't understand, post again and i'll try and come up with a better explanation of my view.
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If paying to be in jail was only recouping of accurate costs there would be no incentive.

So long as we have privatized.....for profit prisons there will always be incentive, whether the state or the criminal is footing the bill makes no difference to whomever is cashing the checks.
 
IceBergSLiM said:
Well the state is just tax payers. State doesn't care how much it costs because we(citizens) get the bill anyways.
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Seems like you get what I was saying then. State cares how much it costs only if the budget was called into question by the taxpayers, up until that point then yea, they dgiaf.
 
Generally no, but there are cases of where a city or state has sued in civil court for money to pay for the cost of the trial. Criminal courts are hard to get any kind of funds from, but civil is a whole different matter.
 
Darwin333 said:
Most people who go to jail are poor.
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However, this doesn't really matter because we have the prison industrial complex.

Private prison corporations like CCA ( corrections corporation of america ) Get X amount of dollars per inmate. They cut corners and what not and annual cost per inmate comes out to something like X - $7,500.

At that point, these corporations which also have plenty of lobbyists lobbying for tough laws and things like keeping marijuana illegal, are getting paid to keep people behind bars.
 
Darwin333 said:
Most people who go to jail are poor.
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I thought about this and have come up with a simple solution. What they could do is have inmates rebuild scrapped cars and race each other to the death. Their incentive is that if they win 5 races, they buy their freedom. This race of death so to speak would be televised and all proceeds from this pay per view subscription will go into paying for the cost of imprisonment. It's a win win for EVERYBODY!!! 🙂
 
it costs some 20-30k per year per person... a better solution would be to keep no violent offenders out of jail. All of your simple drug possessions, etc. Keep the dangerous people locked up, save billions not worrying about people who aren't hurting anybody but themselves.
 
NoWhereM said:
Actually yes, in some areas they charge prisoners a per diem which is collected while they are in jail if they can afford it and if not after they leave jail while on probation. I believe that the Crow Wing County jail in Minnesota even requires anyone on probation to return to jail if they fall behind on their payments.
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I'm in NC, our county jail charges prisoners a per diem too.

Fern
 
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