Do people actually think that asbestos is banned for use in the USA?

[miri]

Why are there so many warning signs about lead but selling toys and other products with asbestos is still allowed?

 

[pontifex]

examples?

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: pontifex
examples?

this.

 

[miri]

Originally posted by: pontifex
examples?

http://murray.senate.gov/asbestos/

?It is unconscionable that so many innocent victims in our state have died because they were exposed to a product that they were told was safe. But it is even more disturbing that our government continues to allow asbestos to be imported into this country and used in everyday products today.

While more than 30 other countries have banned asbestos and protected their citizens, the United States still has not. The time for Congress to ban asbestos is long overdue. Until we take the steps to ban this deadly substance, we will continue to put innocent lives at risk.?

http://murray.senate.gov/news.cfm?id=289799

(Washington, D.C.) ? Today, U.S. Senator Patty Murray (D-WA) applauded actions taken by the online divisions of top toy retailers including Toys "R" Us and KB Toys after they stopped sales of a toy that has tested positive for deadly asbestos. Senator Murray last week contacted Walgreens, KB Toys, and Toys "R" Us to ask that they terminate sales of the toy - Planet Toys' CSI: Crime Scene Investigation? Fingerprint Examination Kit. The Asbestos Disease Awareness Organization and the Environmental Working Group presented Senator Murray with solid scientific evidence that the toy contains the most deadly form of asbestos ? tremolite.

 

[Bignate603]

I know they use it in some brake pads (or at least did recently).

 

[natto fire]

The government already does a shitty job trying to control our bodies with the "drug war". Perhaps they saw the folly of their ways and just gave up? Or perhaps money is involved and our whole nanny-state BS revolves around that and not the welfare of the citizens? I would personally bet on the latter.

 

[alchemize]

I have a whole box of pipe fittings (asbestos) in my garage. Probably 30+ years old, collectors items!

Asbestos is really only a concern when it becomes friable - ceiling insulation, pipe insulation, etc. Unless kids are grinding up their toys and snorting them, there's not any real risk. EDIT: read the article, I dunno why the hell they would put tremolite into the "CSI dusting powder". How about good old fashioned talcum powder?

Frankly it's a fantastic substance when used correctly. Not sure why you'd want it in a toy unless you didn't want it to burn

 

[KMFJD]

On No!! We are all gonna Die! Panic!!!

 

[So]

Originally posted by: alchemize
I have a whole box of pipe fittings (asbestos) in my garage. Probably 30+ years old, collectors items!

Asbestos is really only a concern when it becomes friable - ceiling insulation, pipe insulation, etc. Unless kids are grinding up their toys and snorting them, there's not any real risk. EDIT: read the article, I dunno why the hell they would put tremolite into the "CSI dusting powder". How about good old fashioned talcum powder?

Frankly it's a fantastic substance when used correctly. Not sure why you'd want it in a toy unless you didn't want it to burn

Thank you. Asbestos is a substance that has gotten an unfair rap -- it's just not dangerous unless you make a powder of it and then get the dust airborne and then breathe said dust -- and even then, a little bit won't kill you.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: alchemize
I have a whole box of pipe fittings (asbestos) in my garage. Probably 30+ years old, collectors items!

Asbestos is really only a concern when it becomes friable - ceiling insulation, pipe insulation, etc. Unless kids are grinding up their toys and snorting them, there's not any real risk. EDIT: read the article, I dunno why the hell they would put tremolite into the "CSI dusting powder". How about good old fashioned talcum powder?

Frankly it's a fantastic substance when used correctly. Not sure why you'd want it in a toy unless you didn't want it to burn

This.

Its very useful, just very dangerous when misused.

Huh. Sounds like a lot of other things doesnt it

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: So

Thank you. Asbestos is a substance that has gotten an unfair rap -- it's just not dangerous unless you make a powder of it and then get the dust airborne and then breathe said dust -- and even then, a little bit won't kill you.

No no, you got this all wrong, Because a guy that worked in an Asbestos factory his entire life got lung cancer, that makes it bad and a tiny bit will melt your brain. The logic is infallible.

In fact, the american government seems to apply it whenever they can to whatever situation they can. Do you remember when ever other day they where saying "X could cause cancer". Asbestos was one of those things that people just seem to remember.

IMO people are too scared of everything, heck, people used to drink water out of lead pipes for years and they are still around. I even heard one guy complain about getting "Mercury poisoning" from a broken florescent tube. People like that don't realized the people used to drink mercury, a little whiff of a minute amount isn't going to hurt you.

 

[Amused]

I fail to see how asbestos is dangerous unless it is in minute particles and airborne.

So this panic is just that: panic. This senator is a fear mongering bitch and a tool of the ambulance chasers.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

I grew up in an area that's well known for asbestos just laying around. Literally. As in naturally occurring rocks. Still no lung cancer here.

 

[mooseracing]

Asbestos makes the best fireproof safes.

 

[BladeVenom]

The type of asbestos also makes a big difference.

On the bright side, asbestos is all natural.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: alchemize
I have a whole box of pipe fittings (asbestos) in my garage. Probably 30+ years old, collectors items!

Asbestos is really only a concern when it becomes friable - ceiling insulation, pipe insulation, etc. Unless kids are grinding up their toys and snorting them, there's not any real risk. EDIT: read the article, I dunno why the hell they would put tremolite into the "CSI dusting powder". How about good old fashioned talcum powder?

Frankly it's a fantastic substance when used correctly. Not sure why you'd want it in a toy unless you didn't want it to burn

This.

Its very useful, just very dangerous when misused.

Huh. Sounds like a lot of other things doesnt it

Like 98% of the US populations brains.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

asbestos is an issue when it gets old. If it does not crumble in your hands, it is not a risk. So, can I ask if manufacturing techniques have improved? Since people are so adimant about it, they must have looked into this matter.

now, if I told you that studies have been done on sun tan lotion and the chemicals in it and told you that the chemicals are more liekly to cause skin cancer than the sun, you wouldn't believe me. yet I can simply point to studies that reinforce my statement. I'm sure everyone uses sun tan lotion though.

 

[m1ldslide1]

See I thought that it wasn't really a problem unless you had prolonged exposure to it in the particle/airborne form? I haven't heard of mass-asbestos poisonings, but I have heard of factory workers etc developing cancer as a result of years of working with the stuff.

I'm normally alright with Patty Murray, but this does seem like pointless headline-grabbing.

 

[43st]

Good old ATOT... Asbestos is safe and good.. :laugh:

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Amused
I fail to see how asbestos is dangerous unless it is in minute particles and airborne.

So this panic is just that: panic. This senator is a fear mongering bitch and a tool of the ambulance chasers.

Quit being so naive, Amused. You need to step out of your shoes and into hers for just a moment. Imagine this scenario if you will:

You are a senator and presented with information and a possible (yet not necessarily large) threat to children via seemingly innocent toys. The issue in question (asbestos) isn't unheard of either. You may know that it may never cause an issue, but you seriously cannot take that risk.

Why you ask? Because it's fucking politics! Imagine the headline if something happens, "Child Dies After Senator Ignores Toy Warning" or even something along the lines of "Asbestos Found in Toys, Ignored by Senator" That's not exactly something you want on your resumé.

Although, she could just believe that asbestos is a horrible evil cloud of doom, but to simply assume she is a "fear mongering bitch" because she's doing what anyone in a position with a high level of scrutiny would do: make everything look good to the public.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: 43st
Good old ATOT... Asbestos is safe and good.. :laugh:

If it isn't airborne or prone to become airborne, yes, it is safe and good.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Amused
I fail to see how asbestos is dangerous unless it is in minute particles and airborne.

So this panic is just that: panic. This senator is a fear mongering bitch and a tool of the ambulance chasers.

Quit being so naive, Amused. You need to step out of your shoes and into hers for just a moment. Imagine this scenario if you will:

You are a senator and presented with information and a possible (yet not necessarily large) threat to children via seemingly innocent toys. The issue in question (asbestos) isn't unheard of either. You may know that it may never cause an issue, but you seriously cannot take that risk.

Why you ask? Because it's fucking politics! Imagine the headline if something happens, "Child Dies After Senator Ignores Toy Warning" or even something along the lines of "Asbestos Found in Toys, Ignored by Senator" That's not exactly something you want on your resumé.

Although, she could just believe that asbestos is a horrible evil cloud of doom, but to simply assume she is a "fear mongering bitch" because she's doing what anyone in a position with a high level of scrutiny would do: make everything look good to the public.

Ah, I see. LOL. The truth is they latch onto a cause, build up as much irrational fear as they can about it, then bank on it because they "did something."

And if you read about her, she is passing legislation to make liability cases much easier for asbestos lawsuits. She's a tool.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: 43st
Good old ATOT... Asbestos is safe and good.. :laugh:

The fear mongering over plutonium is highly amusing too. Not only is it all natural, but my teeth have never been whiter!

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Amused
I fail to see how asbestos is dangerous unless it is in minute particles and airborne.

So this panic is just that: panic. This senator is a fear mongering bitch and a tool of the ambulance chasers.

Quit being so naive, Amused. You need to step out of your shoes and into hers for just a moment. Imagine this scenario if you will:

You are a senator and presented with information and a possible (yet not necessarily large) threat to children via seemingly innocent toys. The issue in question (asbestos) isn't unheard of either. You may know that it may never cause an issue, but you seriously cannot take that risk.

Why you ask? Because it's fucking politics! Imagine the headline if something happens, "Child Dies After Senator Ignores Toy Warning" or even something along the lines of "Asbestos Found in Toys, Ignored by Senator" That's not exactly something you want on your resumé.

Although, she could just believe that asbestos is a horrible evil cloud of doom, but to simply assume she is a "fear mongering bitch" because she's doing what anyone in a position with a high level of scrutiny would do: make everything look good to the public.

God forbid we expect our leaders to actually research issues thoroughly and evaluate the wider implications of their legislation before making knee jerk reactions. What if the big bad media misconstrues their intent or actions?

Are you actually advocating political overreaction just to avoid potential negative press?

 

[RichUK]

People actually think asbestos is safe?