Do most Christians realize our founding fathers were not Christian?

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Europe is a terrible place to go IMO, as far as direction is concerned.

Nope, I dont care for Europes direction either.

We need to find our own way and make it work. Thats been our success all along anyway. Why be the sheep or even the shepard when being the wolf works so well for us.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Europe is a terrible place to go IMO, as far as direction is concerned.

Nope, I dont care for Europes direction either.

We need to find our own way and make it work. Thats been our success all along anyway. Why be the sheep or even the shepard when being the wolf works so well for us.

So, in other words, you'd be willing to be the automotive manufacturer who went out of business, just because you weren't the one that came up with the assembly line idea?

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: blackllotus
So Canadians are wimps because they have queen elizabeth on their currency? Puh-leeze

If they're not wimps, why do they put up with it?

The * In God we Trust* on your money kind of makes this thread really funny

Why does God have to be a Christian deity? This is what simple narrow-minded people just don't get. Many religions have a "God", yet they all somehow thing their God is *THE* God. WTF be so arrogant?

Christianity != God. Believing in a God, no matter if it is Christian or not = God.

If you actually knew anything about Deists, instead of spouting off, only few of them ever doubted the existence of God, but all more or less rejected Christianity.

Knowledge and education FTW!

Its very clear which god we trust in.

No, it's very clear to self-absorbed ego-centric Christians in what God is trusted on the currency of this country. Considering that the phrase was only recently added as this country has gotten more zealous in religious fervor and more xenophobic in it's beliefs and that the founding fathers were Deists who didn't support a Christian God, but a secular God, you can draw the conclusion that it has only been recently that people, namely zealous Christians, who have tired to make an unnamed and non-denominational deity the Christian God.

The fact remains that the intent of this country was to remove the tyranny of the majority and also create a secular government, devoid of any fervor advocating one God over another. The POV taken by the Founding Fathers, that there is *A* God, but not neccessarily the Christian God, is quite evident in not only their writing, but also their intent and beliefs.

I am sure Christians will continue to believe that the universe does indeed circle around them and that the Earth is flat, because thats what their overseers want them to think. However, make no mistake, the original leaders of this country were anything but Christians.

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Europe is a terrible place to go IMO, as far as direction is concerned.

Nope, I dont care for Europes direction either.

We need to find our own way and make it work. Thats been our success all along anyway. Why be the sheep or even the shepard when being the wolf works so well for us.

So, in other words, you'd be willing to be the automotive manufacturer who went out of business, just because you weren't the one that came up with the assembly line idea?

My apologies sir.
I am about to get off a 12 hour night shift and my brain isnt functioning well at all.
You can either rephrase that so a toddler could understand it or wait 8 hours until my head gets some rest.

 

[piasabird]

I think you know nothing about the term Christian. Christian can mean any religion where they follow Christ, like Roman Catholic. Some Christians somehow will argue that people who believe or follow Christ are not Christians, but I consider that silly.

What is a Deist??

Some discriptions of Deism say the Deist does not believe in Holy Books. So if you read the Bible you are not a Deist.

Is that someone who believes in God, but has no opinion about Christ?

Does that mean Jews are Deists?

Give us a definition. If you cant, dont use the term.

Personally, I would lump anyone who believes in God into a general category of Christian.

1. George Washington - Deist
2. John Adams - Unitarian
3. Thomas Jefferson - Deist
4. James Madison - (questionable: raised Episcopalian, but has been referenced as Deiest, not completely sure)
5. James Monroe - Deist
6. John Quincy Adams - Unitarian

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I think you know nothing about the term Christian. Christian can mean any religion where they follow Christ, like Roman Catholic. Some Christians somehow will argue that people who believe or follow Christ are not Christians, but I consider that silly.

What is a Deist??

Some discriptions of Deism say the Deist does not believe in Holy Books. So if you read the Bible you are not a Deist.

Is that someone who believes in God, but has no opinion about Christ?

Does that mean Jews are Deists?

Give us a definition. If you cant, dont use the term.

Personally, I would lump anyone who believes in God into a general category of Christian.

1. George Washington - Deist
2. John Adams - Unitarian
3. Thomas Jefferson - Deist
4. James Madison - (questionable: raised Episcopalian, but has been referenced as Deiest, not completely sure)
5. James Monroe - Deist
6. John Quincy Adams - Unitarian

Again, you are assuming "God" is the Christian God. Allah = God, but Muslims aren't Christians.

Christians are followers of Christ and those who believe in his divinity. Considering most deists do not believe in his divinity , but do believe in his teachings, they wouldn't be considered Christians.

Personally, I consider myself a believer in God, but I don't subscribe to the fact that God is what Christians have made him out to be. They have twisted his intent and while I don't believe in most of the parables of the Bible, I do believe in their intent. However, people extrapolate way too much from it and also do not have a good bit of critical thinking towards it.

If God were truly benevolent, then we wouldn't be so ego-centric or exclusive of other religions. We would simply say that they are also God's creation and he put them here for a reason. Furthermore, we wouldn't attempt to bend them to our will, since they will meet God and he will judge them at that point. This goes for any "undesirable" group that we deem to be bending God's rules, especially when they do not cause direct harm to another creation of God (I wouldn't treat a murder the same way as a gay person).

It's funny that humans have existed and have believed and have lived and died under many more religions and beliefs than the Christian God for much longer than Christianity has existed, yet we somehow think that out of all of the billions that came before and after Christianity, only Christians themselves are chosen.

Why would a benevolent and loving God condemn billions of people to hell before Christianity was created or after?

The simple answer is, a benevolent and loving God wouldn't, but greedy and selfish humans, in a twisted attempt to justify their own lust for belonging and control would.