Do McCarthy tactics still work?

[mizzou]

You would think John McCain would remember the big red-scare. I haven't heard the attack of someone being "socialist" since my history class.

Why is McCain attacking Obama's social programs as socialist communism?

Last I checked, left = communism and right = fascism, and they both equally suck. Conservatism and Liberalism should be well in the middle, regardless of how extreme.

I think John is walking a slippery slope and I really hope he doesn't throw the red card out blatantly. Question is, do people still believe this hocus pocus or will people see right through it for what it is?

 

[Farang]

I don't think he ever talked about communism, he was more trying to tie him to European socialism which I think is a distortion but is not unfair or McCarthy-like.

 

[mizzou]

Originally posted by: Farang
I don't think he ever talked about communism, he was more trying to tie him to European socialism which I think is a distortion but is not unfair or McCarthy-like.

I agree with that is probably the intention. But out of context of the delivery of these attacks, you can't help but draw conclusions that the intention is strikingly similar to those attacks on alleged communists.

I would argue that the delivery is specifically in that context.

 

[nageov3t]

you wouldn't be asking this question if you weren't a commie-lovin' socialist yourself :frown::|

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: loki8481
you wouldn't be asking this question if you weren't a commie-lovin' socialist yourself :frown::|

I frisked him and found a card in his pocket.. it reads:

Communist Party, Missouri-Kansas District
Communist Party, Missouri-Kansas District
438 N Skinker Ave
St. Louis, MO 63130
E-mail: moks@cpusa.org
Tel.: 314-776-7732

 

[bctbct]

A guy I work with who is pro McCain has been dropping the C word about Obama. Then again he told me that Obamas tax plan would tax a business gross receipts of 250+.

moran

 

[mizzou]

Originally posted by: loki8481
you wouldn't be asking this question if you weren't a commie-lovin' socialist yourself :frown::|

lol

Well, I think the idea here is that we can't label any social benefit (medicare/healthcare/education) as "socialist" or labeled in "Socialism" because in this country we directly relate that to communism on a certain level.

 

[JS80]

Hah, I wish!

 

[microbial]

Obama has been saying that McCain is running out of time and ideas--he should add running out of ethics to his speech.

 

[CallMeJoe]

The Republicans are certainly hoping they do.

 

[ProfJohn]

McCain screwed up with the socialism label.

McCain keeps forgetting that the press loves Obama and will rush to defend him any chance they get. So calling him a socialist allows the press to defend Obama by running out stories about how Obama's policies are not socialism.

McCain should have stuck to the 'tax and spend' mantra. Everyone knows what he is saying and it is a charge that will stick.

 

[techs]

"Sarah Palin, are you now, or have you ever been a member of the secessionist party of Alaska"

"You betcha"

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

McCain should have stuck to the 'tax and spend' mantra. Everyone knows what he is saying and it is a charge that will stick.

... aside from the intrinsic lie in the label. The only people saying Obama will raise taxes on anyone, other than the top 5% are those desperate enough to spew the lie.

McCain's funniest lies are the ones where he flips and pimps both sides of the same line, sometimes within minutes. :laugh:

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: techs
"Sarah Palin, are you now, or have you ever been a member of the secessionist party of Alaska"

"You betcha" *wink*

fixed

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: techs
"Sarah Palin, are you now, or have you ever been a member of the secessionist party of Alaska"
"You betcha"

Not fair. She's not a secessionist.

She just sleeps with one.



That is better than "pallin' around", isn't it?

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: techs
"Sarah Palin, are you now, or have you ever been a member of the secessionist party of Alaska"

"You betcha"

I'm a myavrick

 

[Lemon law]

Of course McCarthy type attacks work, they always do for a time. But sooner or later, they wear out their welcome, And we are now in the wear out their welcome phase. But its the only button McCain has left to push.
And worse yet for the GOP, the Obama campaign is super swift on the counterattack.

Even if Karl Rove is in denial about it, that Lincoln you can't fool all of the people all of the time has a nasty habit of being right in the end.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Of course McCarthy type attacks work, they always do for a time. But sooner or later, they wear out their welcome, And we are now in the wear out their welcome phase. But its the only button McCain has left to push.
And worse yet for the GOP, the Obama campaign is super swift on the counterattack.

Even if Karl Rove is in denial about it, that Lincoln you can't fool all of the people all of the time has a nasty habit of being right in the end.

All of the People Some of the Time and Some of the People All of the Time was sufficient.

 

[retrospooty]

Most of these false negative attacks only work on the hard right... who already arent voting for Obama. They generally turn off independants and undecideds, and enfuriate the right, dividing us further...

Thanks John McCain!!! country first my ass!

 

[Deliximus]

McCain is attacking with the "S" word because he's got nothing left, except for the Wright card.

 

[Moonbeam]

McCain is a traitor. He has become McCarthy.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

The Republican Party has utterly disgraced themselves in this election. If I were a Republican I would be ashamed of what my party has become.

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: mizzou
You would think John McCain would remember the big red-scare. I haven't heard the attack of someone being "socialist" since my history class.

Why is McCain attacking Obama's social programs as socialist communism?

Last I checked, left = communism and right = fascism, and they both equally suck. Conservatism and Liberalism should be well in the middle, regardless of how extreme.

I think John is walking a slippery slope and I really hope he doesn't throw the red card out blatantly. Question is, do people still believe this hocus pocus or will people see right through it for what it is?

Obama is a neo Marxist (more cultural that classical eco Marxism). Alinsky (BO trained in his techniques) admired Gramsci (theorist of cultural hegemony and counter-hegemony etc). His tactics are right out of Alinsky and are easy to spot once you know them (and most here do not take the time to learn even basics of BO). Lots of people feel there is something odd about BO and thats why he isn't doing as well as he should with the gazillion dollars hes had. McCain's problem he is supported the bailout and lost a chance to stand apart from BO. People do not rwally understand Marxism ow how it morphed into things like liberation theology. They hear little blurbs about a black list from the 50's and see little clips of the "have you no decency sir" bit and think Marxism in US was all a hallucination. Idiots.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Originally posted by: mizzou
You would think John McCain would remember the big red-scare. I haven't heard the attack of someone being "socialist" since my history class.

Why is McCain attacking Obama's social programs as socialist communism?

Last I checked, left = communism and right = fascism, and they both equally suck. Conservatism and Liberalism should be well in the middle, regardless of how extreme.

I think John is walking a slippery slope and I really hope he doesn't throw the red card out blatantly. Question is, do people still believe this hocus pocus or will people see right through it for what it is?

Obama is a neo Marxist (more cultural that classical eco Marxism). Alinsky (BO trained in his techniques) admired Gramsci (theorist of cultural hegemony and counter-hegemony etc). His tactics are right out of Alinsky and are easy to spot once you know them (and most here do not take the time to learn even basics of BO). Lots of people feel there is something odd about BO and thats why he isn't doing as well as he should with the gazillion dollars hes had. McCain's problem he is supported the bailout and lost a chance to stand apart from BO. People do not rwally understand Marxism ow how it morphed into things like liberation theology. They hear little blurbs about a black list from the 50's and see little clips of the "have you no decency sir" bit and think Marxism in US was all a hallucination. Idiots.

C'mon comrade, join the Party.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Deliximus
McCain is attacking with the "S" word because he's got nothing left, except for the Wright card.

The 'issue' with Rev Wright is much more delicate.

Campaign vitriol hasn't risen past words to 'action'. I think there is a concern, legitimate or not, that putting Rev Wright front and center may possibly incite activity that compounds on itself.

There is an underlying racism in the US. Over the years it has been generally repressed but it still exists - not essentially on a regional basis but across the country.

When you combine any number of factors; lack of education, economic stress, peer pressure, upbringing, job loss, alcohol and drugs, racial hatred, whatever, it doesn't take much to set off that ticking time bomb.

And once a couple of 'jerkoffs' do something really ugly and it gets reported in the media, you have to anticipate copycat jerkoffs.