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Do many people go with optane vs SSD now? Also side question on gaming mouse recommendation

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maniacalpha1-1

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For the last 10 years, what I've done with my PCs is put Windows on a small SSD, have a separate SSD for my top 2-4 games, and an HDD for greater storage. Now that Optane exists, I was thinking why don't I just build the next one with a 32GB Optane accelerator and a 3-4 TB HDD and not fool with 3+ drives? Or is that not as effective a setup as the Optane reviews suggest?

Also, I'm soon going to need to replace my mouse. I like what I have now and would like to get the same thing (with one new thing, see end), I have a SteelSeries Rival, it's a few years old so it's from when they were just called "Rival", now I see Rival 310s and whatnot. Which SteelSeries of today do I need that is closest to what I have?

Also, the one I have has the ability to toggle between two DPI settings. Is there a way to add a third DPI toggle to most mice, or do I have to actually a buy a mouse with 3 toggles? If so, any recommendations that are pretty similar to a SteelSeries Rival?
 
Optane isn't quite ready for prime time yet. Too expensive and mostly for people who like to run benchmarks all day. Your current setup sounds better for now.
 
13Gigatons said:
Optane isn't quite ready for prime time yet. Too expensive and mostly for people who like to run benchmarks all day. Your current setup sounds better for now.
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a 32gb Optane accelerator is only like $55-$60 though? Plus $80-ish for a 3TB HDD. I think you're thinking of the Optane PCI card, which is very expensive, like $1300 for 960GB -
 
Optane is just really getting started. Most people who have moved on from HDDs will be using SATA SSDs (with a solid movement now beginning to go onto NVMe (PCIe drives). Over the next 3-5 years, all the growth will be moving into NVMe (and that's where a lot of the manufacturers products and resources are going into). SATA SSDs have fully saturated the SATA III (6 Gbit/s) spec, so there's really no room for any improvement to happen there.

I know there are a few here who use Optane, so I'll let them talk about the good/bad of it.
 
Why bother with two different SSDs anyway? I've had Windows and games/programs on a single SSD since the X25-M came out in 2008. Smaller SSDs are slower, so you're compromising the speed of both by having two smaller drives.
 
Yuriman said:
Why bother with two different SSDs anyway? I've had Windows and games/programs on a single SSD since the X25-M came out in 2008. Smaller SSDs are slower, so you're compromising the speed of both by having two smaller drives.
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IMHO a large SATA SSD should work fine for most people. You should only consider NVMe/Optane SDDs if you actually need or can use the extra performance.
 
whm1974 said:
....if you actually need or can use the extra performance.
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I think most computer enthusiasts do not even know what these words, when put together in this order, can comprehend what you are saying. The word "need"? Never came across that before. 😉

We prefer and understand the word "want". 🙂
 
UsandThem said:
I think most computer enthusiasts do not even know what these words, when put together in this order, can comprehend what you are saying. The word "need"? Never came across that before. 😉

We prefer and understand the word "want". 🙂
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My 64 GB, 1080Ti, 1950X, 900P machine says you may be on to something.

Viper GTS
 
Yuriman said:
Why bother with two different SSDs anyway? I've had Windows and games/programs on a single SSD since the X25-M came out in 2008. Smaller SSDs are slower, so you're compromising the speed of both by having two smaller drives.
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I usually re-use an older SSD that I have for the windows install, and it's the reuse part that makes it small, because I keep using the same one. Windows continues to boot acceptably fast with it, so I go with it. But I like to have as much SSD storage as possible for games, too, and a 3 TB HDD accelerated by Optane is a lot more price-efficient than a 3TB SSD. That's why I'm trying to figure out if Optane accelerators (not the very expensive Optane PCI SSD) actually do anything to make them worthwhile -
 
UsandThem said:
I think most computer enthusiasts do not even know what these words, when put together in this order, can comprehend what you are saying. The word "need"? Never came across that before. 😉

We prefer and understand the word "want". 🙂
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I don't know, I see that as a phase to grow out of, once enough cycles of buyer's regret have been experienced.

If at some point I need a larger boot/games SSD, the NVMe one would have to be the same price as the nearest SATA equivalent (assuming I'm not still running Win7 by then), or so close in post that the extra performance starts to matter to me. Game level loading times from my 840 PRO are perfectly reasonable; gone are the days of finding game loading times to be tediously slow. I can't think of a single thing about my computer that would be really nice if it loaded quicker.

The only thing I can think of that would be nice is not having to manage the space on my 256GB SSD with regard to games, but frankly how many games would I play at any given time. I think the time that I'll have to trade up for a bigger SSD is when games get big enough to make having StarCraft 2 and <chunky new game here> installed at the same time becomes a problem. XCOM2 War of the Chosen is something like 60-70GB, so things are steadily getting that way. Perhaps Cyberpunk 2077 will have me trading up (along with a new graphics card and maybe Win10 if it's DX12 only).
 
maniacalpha1-1 said:
That's why I'm trying to figure out if Optane accelerators (not the very expensive Optane PCI SSD) actually do anything to make them worthwhile -
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Truthfully No....According to one review you would be better off buying extra ram and making a ramdisk. If I wanted or needed a cache drive that's what I would do. No worries about burn out either plus even better performance.
 
On the other hand Manufacturers in many type of business needs constantly to innovate in order to survive.

Sometimes it works, and sometimes Not. The Optane idea would be one of the sometime Not.

Why? Because no matter what One coconuts. Mechanical storage (HD with moving mechanicl Plates) would never survive opposite Silicon storage.


😎
 
Two things to keep in mind:

1.) Optane cache works mostly for small files---> https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...rrent-and-future.2525180/page-5#post-39380486

(And its 4K QD1 read is much faster than a SATA SSD)

2.) A single hard drive will have lower sequential than a SATA SSD..... and sequential also matters for game loading (as shown below by the increased performance of the RAID-0 drives over the single hard drive):


(The RAID-0 hard drive sequential read is somewhere in between the Samsung 850 SSD and the single hard drive)

Samsung SSD 850 Pro 256GB: 30 seconds
2 x WD Black 4TB 7200 rpm RAID-0: 40 seconds
WD Black 4TB 7200 rpm: 48 seconds
Seagate Momentus 500GB 5400 rpm: 1 minute 42 seconds
 
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http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-optane-memory-tested-with-secondary-hard-drive_205254/3

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For this particular title, Optane Memory (64GB) + HDD was almost as fast as the 120GB 800p Optane SSD.
 
UsandThem said:
The word "need"? Never came across that before.
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My EGO NEEDS me to get the most massive radiator i can possibly fit!

My EGO NEEDS me to have the most RGB lights i can possibly have inside a case!

My EGO NEEDS me to have MOAR CORES to run my single threaded applications!


LOL!!!

I always seem to NEED unnecessary things because, well my EGO be strong on the dark side of the force.... 🙁


But i dont think i NEED Optane.. If i dont see a noticable difference, i am not going to spend the extra.
At least the Radiators / LED / MOAR cores you can see a physical Difference.

I do however NEED that 2TB + SSD, so i will stay with my 960/970 PRO's.
 
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