do lobsters feel pain when you boil them? or make weird noises?

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  1. ManBearPig

    ManBearPig Diamond Member

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    i dont eat lobster since it grosses me out, but ive seen people boiling them fresh. it obviously probably tastes better this way, but do the lobsters feel pain or writhe around? seems like they would. weird.

    also, wtf do they taste like?
     
  2. Crusty

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    Sometimes they can 'scream'.
     
  3. ChaoZ

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    If you just boil them, they don't taste like anything.
     
  4. 0roo0roo

    0roo0roo No Lifer

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    well if they do the water permeates their body rather fast.
    death can't take that long.
    the scream is air expansion/leaking out.
    if you wish you can stab them in the head.
     
  5. guyver01

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_in_crustaceans

    In February 2005, a review of the literature by the Norwegian Scientific Committee for Food Safety tentatively concluded that "it is unlikely that [lobsters] can feel pain," though they note that "there is apparently a paucity of exact knowledge on sentience in crustaceans, and more research is needed." This conclusion is based on the lobster's simple nervous system. The report assumes that the violent reaction of lobsters to boiling water is a reflex to noxious stimuli.

    However, review by the Scottish animal rights group Advocate for Animals released in the same year reported that "scientific evidence ... strongly suggests that there is a potential for [lobsters] to experience pain and suffering," primarily because lobsters (and other decapod crustaceans) "have opioid receptors and respond to opioids (analgesics such as morphine) in a similar way to vertebrates," indicating that lobsters' reaction to injury changes when painkillers are applied. The similarities in lobsters' and vertebrates' stress systems and behavioral responses to noxious stimuli were given as additional evidence for their capacity for pain.

    A 2007 study at Queen's University, Belfast, suggested that crustaceans do feel pain. In the experiment, when the antennae of prawns were rubbed with sodium hydroxide or acetic acid, the animals showed increased grooming of the afflicted area and rubbed it more against the side of the tank. Moreover, this reaction was inhibited by a local anesthetic, even though control prawns treated with only anesthetic did not show reduced activity. Professor Robert Elwood, who headed the study, argues that sensing pain is crucial to prawn survival, because it encourages them to avoid damaging behaviors. Some scientists responded, saying the rubbing may reflect an attempt to clean the affected area.

    In a subsequent 2009 study, Prof. Elwood and Mirjam Appel showed that hermit crabs make motivational tradeoffs between shocks and the quality of the shells they inhabit. In particular, as crabs are shocked more intensely, they become increasingly willing to leave their current shells for new shells, and they spend less time deciding whether to enter those new shells. Moreover, because the researchers did not offer the new shells until after the electrical stimulation had ended, the change in motivational behavior was the result of memory of the noxious event, not an immediate reflex.

    Morphine, an analgesic, and naloxone, an opioid receptor antagonist, may affect a related species of estuarine crab (Chasmagnathus granulatus) in much the same way they affect vertebrates: injections of morphine into crabs produced a dose-dependent reduction of their defensive response to an electric shock. (However, the attenuated defensive response could originate from either the analgesic or sedative properties of morphine, or both) These findings have been replicated for other invertebrate species, but similar data is not yet available for lobsters.
     
  6. Hacp

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    What? Now I can't have a decent lobster sandwich without being hounded by PETA?
     
  7. guyver01

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    Nope.

    You have to eat Stone Crab claw. It's environmentally friendly and a sustainable food.


    The Florida stone crab loses its limbs easily to escape from predators or tight spaces, but their limbs will grow back. When a claw is broken in the right place, the wound will quickly heal itself and very little blood is lost.

    The bodies of these crabs are relatively small and so are rarely eaten, but the claws (chelae), which are large and strong enough to break an oyster's shell, are considered a delicacy. Harvesting is accomplished by removing one or both claws from the live animal and returning it to the ocean where it can regrow the lost limb(s).


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  8. ConstipatedVigilante

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    So, boiling them is too mean, but breaking their arms off and telling them to go survive without them isn't?
     
  9. guyver01

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    Which part of regrow the lost limb did you not understand?
     
  10. Hacp

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    So I gotta pay even MORE money? Sigh.
     
  11. lxskllr

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    In addition to that, if you were conscientious, you could leave one of their claws. Probably not as viable for commercial operations, but easy to do privately.
     
  12. Newbian

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    Who cares as long as they taste great.

    Hell if human tasted good we would do the same thing but sadly we don't taste that good. :(
     
  13. Taejin

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    what part of THEY DONT HAVE CLAWS TO EAT is so hard to conclude on your own?
     
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    Actually we probably do taste pretty decent, but rights groups will throw up their arms if you even talk about it. Logic gets thrown out the window by these wackos. :\
     
  15. 0roo0roo

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    while sustainable, which has its merits, walking wounded factor kind of nullifies the whole less suffering bit.
     
  16. totalnoob

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    If they do suffer it's not on any level we humans can understand. I recall hearing about a study where scientists jabbed two long metal rods through a lobsters eyes to blind it. They then put food in front of the lobster and it calmy started eating as if nothing was wrong.
     
  17. grohl

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    i dont really give a shit
     
  18. Newbian

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    Actually we don't..we taste like really oily snake. :(

    I still don't know how those people in the cannibal group still stick in it since most of us left after a month because of the bad taste.
     
  19. Locut0s

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    Well pain is certainly a useful biological input to possess. It makes animals withdraw from dangerous stimuli. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if they feel pain, it seems fairly universal in all other types of animals (not just mammals).
     
  20. guyver01

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    Studies by the state of Florida have shown that removing both claws do not harm the Stone Crab in any way when removed properly. In fact numerous studies have shown that by removing both claws Stone Crabs are forced to eat sea grass which has been proven to be more healthy for their diet and regenerate their claws faster and female Stone crab have more baby stone crabs since they are unable to fend off the advancements of the male crabs. These studies is what caused the State of Florida to change the laws from allowing two claws to be removed instead of just one. Florida stone crabs are legal for harvest from October 15 until May 15


    PETA alarmist much?

    OH NOES!! NO HANDS!! CANT EAT!!!

    :rolleyes:
     
  21. 0roo0roo

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    raep is tasty...
     
  22. Newbian

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    Zomg...we are promoting crab rape. :(
     
  23. Anubis

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    don't know, never asked them
     
  24. Nik

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    Do you understand what happens to animals left in a hostile environment without defenses?
     
  25. guyver01

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    they regrow tasty limbs.

    duh