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Do integrated solution motherboards come up to scratch?

Rigoletto

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I know that AGP slots and several PCI slots are typically missing on such motherboards.
What I am talking about is at least two card functions on board, e.g. sound AND video.
I have seen amazing combos by "lesser" manufacturers like PCChips- VGA, aound, modem and LAN on a single board. Incredible. But a couple of people panned the boards. Does anyone here have such a board or know about them in experience. Thankyou- these boards could save a lot of money building for a friend or as a 2nd system.
 
I have one at work that runs 24/7 doing the RC5 project for Team Anandtech. It's one of those little "BookPC" units and I had to do some cooling mods due to the cramped case, but the board itself runs great. I've used NT Workstation 4.0, Win95 and Win98 with it.
 
actually
they are real good as long as you dont game on those machines
i recommend i810/815 depending on your budget

they will do they job and offer decent performance
 
Don't get one of those boards if your friend is going to be doing much gaming. For Office, internet and email they're fine. For gaming, being able to upgrade graphics is important.
 
Actually, I probably have the most experience with PC-Chips boards. They're in my two home systems and about half of the systems I sell (the other half being generally Gigabyte or Microstar).

PC-Chips boards don't pretend to be anything they're not. Most are heavily integrated solutions designed to save you money. That's OK. Not everyone needs or wants to pay for the latest and greatest in 3D graphics.

My list of PC-Chips pros and cons:

Pro:

- they are the cheapest thing around; no where else will you find a board with so much stuff crammed on it for free, giving you the impression that if there was a way to throw in a lawn mower, PC-Chips would do it

- the integrated sound is usually a C-Media 8738 chip with good sound quality and A3D emulation, as well as 4-channel output; not bad considering you get it for free and most other boards use software AC97 codecs

- the on board 10/100 PCI network controller is just like any other network controller

- the integrated modem is usually a PC-Tel HSP micromodem with a small, proprietary riser card; to my astonishment, the recent drivers make this thing a little gem, handling my poor phone lines better than anything else except a Lucent LT; CPU usage is of course insignificant on any modern CPU, as we've seen before

- the on board video is as good or bad as the board's chipset; recent chipsets like the Aladdin TNT2 and the SiS 630 have made Quake3 at 640x480 a playable prospect for the budget minded; and even though there's typically no AGP slot, every PC-Chips board I've seen will automatically disable its on board video when a better PCI card is plugged in

- likewise, all the integrated devices can be manually disabled if you later want to upgrade them

Con:

- BIOS update support is poor but not terrible; they do release infrequent updates for currently selling boards, but they don't say what the updates do; also, they are unresponsive to problems that they consider unimportant, for example:

The M598 and M598LMR motherboards both have a bug in the jumperless CPU setup that underclocks any 100 MHz FSB to 95 MHz while still displaying 100 MHz. This means that your K6-2/500 is only running at 475 Mhz. Unacceptable. They did release a new BIOS or PCB that eventually fixed the problem with the M598, but not yet for the M598LMR, and it's been six months already. Obviously, they don't consider it a priority because no one can tell unless they use some tool that reports the true clock speed.

- board layout sometimes seems to suffer from dyslexia, leaving connectors in demented places like a floppy plug at the bottom of the board next to the PCI slot; lately they've been better about stuff like this

- I haven't seen a single review of PC-Chips or other low end boards from Anand or Tom or even a smaller site, making it difficult to judge a new release; they obviously don't think the boards are worth their time, but having used them extensively, and given how many millions are sold, it makes sense to at least give them a fair chance

- RMA rate is slightly higher and stability slightly lower than the top tier manufacturers; slightly is the key word here -- probably not enough to bother you if you have a good warranty

In the end, PC-Chips integrated motherboards are a great value provided you know what you're getting. If the system has no aspirations to heavy 3D gaming and you're on a budget, they're a good fit.

Modus
 
Well it's good to know someone has confidence in integrated boards.
I have this baby-AT pc case, a big tower, and spare bits. I thought I could get a cheap computer for my mum or myself to use the internet downstairs. My main misgiving is the price hike of k6-2s. I figured that a board and cpu would cost £120 with PC chips, but you'd have to pay an extra £55 to add on the cheapest bits that this mainboard integrates. And Intel CPUs cost more too.
 
I don't mind integrated boards for basic use. my server is based on a Micro-NLX design from MSI. The package is called "Concerto III" and comes will almost everything integrated in a 12" x 11" x 3" case by ElanVital (ASUS). Intel 440BX. Slot 1 interface, 2 DIMM, 4MB ATi Rage Pro AGP, Yamaha Audo, 10/100 Intel NIC, front USB ports, front audio controls. The CD-ROM is a slim line 24x (ASUS). There is room for 1 standard 3.5" hard drive. The riser card has 1 PCI and 1 shared PCI/ISA. It costs a little more than a WinBook PC but I like having names I trust. The 145W NLS power supply seems to handle everything great It runs at 45F when doing RC5. Not very cool but but dangerous either. Plus there is provisions for overclocking though thertight case and marginal ventaliation might be a problem.

Windogg
 
I believe that MSI is coming out with a even smaller package called "Concerto IV" based on the Intel i810 chipset.
 
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