Do Illegals get to Vote?

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: xenolith

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Robor
Of course illegals DO NOT get to vote. Even people here legally on visas can't vote. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but AFAIK if you're not a US citizen you have to be naturalized (go through the citizenship process) before you can vote. IMO many people of foreign are more comfortable reading in their primary language.

Theoretcally you are correct.

But you don't have to prove that you are a citizen, or even prove your identity really.

You just sign a form that says you're qualified (E.g., I'm a citizen, I live here, I'm not registered to vote in another state).

AFAIK, we don't have any real means to prevent voter registration of illegal aliens.

Fern

You have to supply a state drivers license #, state ID #, or SSN when you register to vote.

Not here in NC.

You just need to sign an afidavid with the "promises" I listed.

Plus, NC has issued about a bazillion DLs to illegals anyway. I think we only recently started verifying SS#s people gave the DMV. But again, you don't need a DL etc to register anyway

Fern

I had to show my old voter's registration card and drivers license when I got a new voter's registration card(address change) in NC, this was in December.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: thraashman
There's no citizenship or voting requirement in the US that says you have to speak English. It would be nice if everyone who was a citizen did speak English, but there's no law requiring it.

I have heard of illegals voting not once but twice or more...

I would think a person can't figure out how to read in English, then they should NOT be able to vote... Period!

Making these multi national voting cards up is just STUPID if you ask me.

I say we get some requirements for the voting system...

Have a test to take before you vote, you know just the basic reading / comprehension / math skills, if you can't pass the simple test or your not a citizen then you don't get to vote....

This is why we have Bush in office today....

Yeah because tests as a requirement for voting has NEVER been abused in the past or anything.

It's always interesting the people hear all these things about "illegals", but nobody is ever quite sure about the details on them, where and when it happened, there tends not to be any record of it happening... etc... etc. I bet it's because they're so sneaky.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: xenolith

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: Robor
Doesn't your name have to be on a list of people allowed to vote? I know every time I vote they look up my name in a book and I sign next to it. I would think if your name isn't in the book you can't vote.

Yep; I voted this morning and when I walked in you go to either the Dem or Repub table, your name is looked up in the book, you sign, then proceed to the booth to vote. I'm not sure what the provisions are if you are not registered or affiliated with a party here in NY.

If you are not voting at the polling place for where you are registered, your name isn't in the book, and they give you a fill in the bubble ballot that gets counted later instead of the punched card one.

Right. it's called an absentee ballot. They're collected seperately and are counted by hand after they're checked against the state registration data base.

Nope. It's a provisional ballot. At least in every state I've heard of.

It's "provisional" meaning it won't be counted until the voter is verified.

Fern

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
voter fraud is rampant in this country, yes it is

Beyond the repugs "cooking the vote" i want proof.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
I had to show my old voter's registration card and drivers license when I got a new voter's registration card(address change) in NC, this was in December.

Yeah, I heard we had new rules for DL's. Particularly the verfication of SS numbers.

But I checked on the state voter registration site etc, I didn't see any of those things required. Maybe I missed them? Edit: Yeah, I missed it. You gotta pull up the PDF of the form and they mention what you said. Yeah, new rules! I figure it'll take about 10 years here to weed out some of the illegals registered to vote.

Would be good if they toughened up the rules though.

Fern

 

[xenolith]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: xenolith

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: Robor
Doesn't your name have to be on a list of people allowed to vote? I know every time I vote they look up my name in a book and I sign next to it. I would think if your name isn't in the book you can't vote.

Yep; I voted this morning and when I walked in you go to either the Dem or Repub table, your name is looked up in the book, you sign, then proceed to the booth to vote. I'm not sure what the provisions are if you are not registered or affiliated with a party here in NY.

If you are not voting at the polling place for where you are registered, your name isn't in the book, and they give you a fill in the bubble ballot that gets counted later instead of the punched card one.

Right. it's called an absentee ballot. They're collected seperately and are counted by hand after they're checked against the state registration data base.

Nope. It's a provisional ballot. At least in every state I've heard of.

It's "provisional" meaning it won't be counted until the voter is verified.

Fern

Right. my bad. An absentee ballot allows you to vote early if you can't make it to your designated polling place today. But they're treated pretty much the same.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: xenolith

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Robor
Of course illegals DO NOT get to vote. Even people here legally on visas can't vote. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but AFAIK if you're not a US citizen you have to be naturalized (go through the citizenship process) before you can vote. IMO many people of foreign are more comfortable reading in their primary language.

Theoretcally you are correct.

But you don't have to prove that you are a citizen, or even prove your identity really.

You just sign a form that says you're qualified (E.g., I'm a citizen, I live here, I'm not registered to vote in another state).

AFAIK, we don't have any real means to prevent voter registration of illegal aliens.

Fern

You have to supply a state drivers license #, state ID #, or SSN when you register to vote.

not all states require registration.

 

[xenolith]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

not all states require registration.

AFAIK, North Dakota is the only one.

 

[rudder]

We have a State senator (Ophelia Ford) who won because the living dead voted for her. A relative of here was arrested on capitol hill during a session so Tennessee had a special election. She ran for his spot and won.

The only reason she was found out was because people know the Ford family in Memphis are a bunch of ne'erdowells. So her opponents watched the election closelt. She was kicked out but her district voted her back in (I won't touch the reasons why).

There were also votes cast by people not in her district. So really on a national level you will never really know.

Diebold will get the person they want so I guess it does not really matter.

 

[Wag]

Am I correct in that some states you can register to vote in a primary on the same day of the election?

 

[xenolith]

yes

Idaho, Maine, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, and Wyoming

And 19 states are considering it: http://www.demos.org/EDR/EDRworksheet_03-08-07.pdf

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Robor
Doesn't your name have to be on a list of people allowed to vote? I know every time I vote they look up my name in a book and I sign next to it. I would think if your name isn't in the book you can't vote.

You're given a provisional ballot and allowed to vote. Those ballots are then scoured through and either accepted or rejected by a board.

 

[Wag]

Hmm- I can see that causing some problems. It's amazing how trusting they are at my polling place- no ID needed, just walk in, give your name and address and that's it.

 

[xenolith]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Robor
Doesn't your name have to be on a list of people allowed to vote? I know every time I vote they look up my name in a book and I sign next to it. I would think if your name isn't in the book you can't vote.

You're given a provisional ballot and allowed to vote. Those ballots are then scoured through and either accepted or rejected by a board.

Don't they check them against a registration data base? i thought they did.

 

[StepUp]

They would not let me vote because I am registered in the county where I went to school as opposed to where I now live. If it wasn't 3 hours away, I'd drive over there, but unfortunately I can't. (BTW, I'm in Tennessee)

 

[Wag]

Originally posted by: StepUp
They would not let me vote because I am registered in the county where I went to school as opposed to where I now live. If it wasn't 3 hours away, I'd drive over there, but unfortunately I can't. (BTW, I'm in Tennessee)

Absentee ballot my friend. You could have mailed one in a few weeks ago...

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: xenolith

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Robor
Of course illegals DO NOT get to vote. Even people here legally on visas can't vote. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but AFAIK if you're not a US citizen you have to be naturalized (go through the citizenship process) before you can vote. IMO many people of foreign are more comfortable reading in their primary language.

Theoretcally you are correct.

But you don't have to prove that you are a citizen, or even prove your identity really.

You just sign a form that says you're qualified (E.g., I'm a citizen, I live here, I'm not registered to vote in another state).

AFAIK, we don't have any real means to prevent voter registration of illegal aliens.

Fern

You have to supply a state drivers license #, state ID #, or SSN when you register to vote.

Correct and some states do give illegal?s and legal immigrants drivers license so yes they have the means and many will likely vote and vote democrat.http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/116189.gif

As you can see!

 

[LtPage1]

Originally posted by: glugglug
So I went to vote this morning.
Now, if I'm not mistaken, most of the people who head to the polls that don't speak English are probably not citizens, right?

How can you possibly think that's even remotely close to being true?

 

[nageov3t]

just because someone might be more comfortable with their native language than english doesn't mean they're an illegal immigrant.

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: loki8481
just because someone might be more comfortable with their native language than english doesn't mean they're an illegal immigrant.

So why aren't the ballots also in Russian? A lot of people in the area have that as their native language.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: loki8481
just because someone might be more comfortable with their native language than english doesn't mean they're an illegal immigrant.

So why aren't the ballots also in Russian? A lot of people in the area have that as their native language.

They need to make the request.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

I don't see how illegals could vote here (AZ). They were really strict yesterday. My drivers license address didn't match my voter ID card address so I had to leave and get more proof of where I lived before I could vote.

 

[eits]

wow... just because someone doesn't speak english they're not citizens? since when?

it goes to show you how sad this country is when immigrants care about the right to vote more than the average non-immigrant american citizen.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: xenolith
Don't they check them against a registration data base? i thought they did.

Yep. And if you're not registered, or voted in the wrong precinct, et al. your ballot is rejected.

 

[yuppiejr]

Vote Early, Vote Often - I'll be standing by the polls in November as a Republican election judge to try and curb the usual "I'm vouching for my bus load of friends" nonsense that goes on in this blue state every election.