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Do I understand Sandy Bridge Rollout Correctly?

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Caveman

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1155 is the new socket...

1366 is an existing socket that will be used for high power versions of the SB chip. Yes?

So... That means that folks like myself can upgrade now using a 1366 board and 930 and still have a upgrade path later next year, YES?
 
No.

1155 is a new socket.

2011 is coming late 2011 and will be used for the high-end sandy bridges.
 
I see now that IU misread comments after an AT article on SB Performance a few weeks back...

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On the 2P Server side of things, I have been told there will be a Westmere v2 coming in January 2011.
This is probably the same family that will produce the i7 990 and the other 1366 chips on the chart that don't exist yet. The Xeon 5600 and 970/980 are damn near identical aside from QPI Links.

Being those are being released in Jan, I wouldn't expect to see a socket 2011 desktop part until basically a year from now.

They will once again be a close relative to the 2P Server family. The socket for the 2P Servers will be Socket R and will be Quad Channel memory as well as supposedly having PCIe 3.0.
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Bottom line is that I want 930 performance min with an upgrade path. I suppose I need to wait until... Lat Jan 2011 for 1156 + ???

Checkout the sig... Not exactly a screamer... Getting ansy for a new rig...
 
Best chance of 930+ performance without waiting a year for s2011 will be a 2500 or 2600 sandy bridge come January.
 
Hmmm... Sounds like I need a 930 with a "cheap" 1366 MoBo, then go for s2011 later next year...

Sounds like s2011 is the new 1366 then?
 
It will be a cold day in hell when Intel even thinks about upgrade paths for past customers.
 
Caveman said:
Hmmm... Sounds like I need a 930 with a "cheap" 1366 MoBo, then go for s2011 later next year...

Sounds like s2011 is the new 1366 then?
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yes, s2011 is in the same xeon dual-socket -> high-end consumer market as s1366 is/was.
 
gevorg said:
It will be a cold day in hell when Intel even thinks about upgrade paths for past customers.
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It is because of cpu architectural improvements/modifications they continue to add as to why the pin counts continue to change and less about customer upgradability.
 
Caveman said:
1155 is the new socket...

1366 is an existing socket that will be used for high power versions of the SB chip. Yes?

So... That means that folks like myself can upgrade now using a 1366 board and 930 and still have a upgrade path later next year, YES?
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NONE of the existing sockets will be used for sandy bridge.
1155 is the FIRST of the new sockets for sandy bridge, there will be more.

Nintendesert said:
Come on, Intel never offers an upgrade path like that. It's always a damn new chipset.
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which is why intel worked so hard to cut out all their competitors in the chipset business...
 
Yeah I believe x68 chipset based motherboards will have a new socket which will obsolete the x58 s1366 boards.

I'm confused, is it really called Socket 2011 to be released in the year 2011? Or are people calling it that since that is when it will come out, next year.
 
nenforcer said:
Yeah I believe x68 chipset based motherboards will have a new socket which will obsolete the x58 s1366 boards.

I'm confused, is it really called Socket 2011 to be released in the year 2011? Or are people calling it that since that is when it will come out, next year.
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It's the number of pins...due to that high end socket will be quad-channel RAM.
Just like socket 1336 is tripple-channel RAM.
And socket 1156 is dual-channel RAM.
 
OCGuy said:
Thankfully they have provided chips that don't need constant upgrading since the P4 debacle.
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Yeah...annoying that there won't be an upgrade path from 1156, but honestly, it's hard to care that much when a 4.4ghz i7 is so fast that you won't feel a big need to upgrade... or even not much need to upgrade from a q6600 honestly, or an e8400.
 
whats the point of even having an upgrade path unless you upgrade very 6 months? I upgrade once every 3 years. I'm at 2.5yrs with my c2d wolfdale, and it still screams. But I'm going to SB next year, and I'll be darned if I was to upgrade to something still using DDR2.

If you upgrade your CPU, using the new one on an older chipset and ram technology makes the upgrade pointless. Just build a hand-me-down for your SO or your dad! Then get the best you can afford and stick with it for a while!
 
Indeed. The same people that can afford to buy the extreme edition chips on release are the people who can afford a new mobo if required.
 
busmaster11 said:
whats the point of even having an upgrade path unless you upgrade very 6 months? I upgrade once every 3 years. I'm at 2.5yrs with my c2d wolfdale, and it still screams. But I'm going to SB next year, and I'll be darned if I was to upgrade to something still using DDR2.

If you upgrade your CPU, using the new one on an older chipset and ram technology makes the upgrade pointless. Just build a hand-me-down for your SO or your dad! Then get the best you can afford and stick with it for a while!
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I tend to agree... your wolfdale mobo also has you stuck with SATA2, USB2, etc. While you are at it, you should probably upgrade the GPU and SSD as well.
Upgrades in the PC world are way overrated.
 
ilkhan said:
Indeed. The same people that can afford to buy the extreme edition chips on release are the people who can afford a new mobo if required.
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So true. When I bought my QX6700 ($1.5k newegg lol) I wasn't sure whether I wanted the EVGA board or the Asus Striker...so I bought both 😀

Ultimately I went with the striker, the EVGA might have been booted up 5 times in its life. Tossed it when I tossed the striker, hoped a P5E WS Pro would be better for the overclocks (which turned out to be true).

(kept my vapoLS though...gots me some 32nm plans with either a Sandy or a Zambezi)
 
Idontcare said:
So true. When I bought my QX6700 ($1.5k newegg lol) I wasn't sure whether I wanted the EVGA board or the Asus Striker...so I bought both 😀

Ultimately I went with the striker, the EVGA might have been booted up 5 times in its life. Tossed it when I tossed the striker, hoped a P5E WS Pro would be better for the overclocks (which turned out to be true).

(kept my vapoLS though...gots me some 32nm plans with either a Sandy or a Zambezi)
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Rollin' around in all that TI money? 😉


(I think a couple years ago I saw you post that you worked for TI...I could be completely wrong and look stupid though. Wouldn't be the first time)
 
ilkhan said:
ass.
(buy me a 2600k on release day, please)
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lol, I'm not trying to rub it in, seriously, just confirming your post since I happen to have experience to speak from 😛

That was a while ago, cash flow and priorities for the cash flow were quite different. I probably won't buy another $1k cpu again for another 10-15yrs, not until the kids are done with me paying for their college 😉

OCGuy said:
Rollin' around in all that TI money? 😉

(I think a couple years ago I saw you post that you worked for TI...I could be completely wrong and look stupid though. Wouldn't be the first time)
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TI and then some. Actually at that time I had a consulting job in the industry that was paying silly stupid rates (>$1k/day+expenses). IIRC I bought the QX6700, the vapoLS, and the two mobos the day after I came back from Austria on a 5-day consulting trip. $5k was burning a hole in my pocket and I was jonesing for some quad-core action.

Was easy money too. You know what a consultant does? They take the watch off your wrist, read it, tell you what time it is, and then they put the watch back on your wrist while slipping an invoice into your hand 🙂 😛
 
taltamir said:
I tend to agree... your wolfdale mobo also has you stuck with SATA2, USB2, etc. While you are at it, you should probably upgrade the GPU and SSD as well.
Upgrades in the PC world are way overrated.
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Sata2's not a problem unless you go SSD, which I plan to get when I upgrade to Sandy Bridge. This machine's really only limiting me in the sense that its got 4GB ram, and I don't want to invest in any more DDR2, and I need more for virtualization.

I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic, but my point is that considering an "upgrade path" when you chose a mobo is foolish for people that don't upgrade every 6 months, because you're limited in most respects (even CPU-wise) to older technology on the mobo. You're much better off throwing together a second-rate box and building a whole new one.
 
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