Do I need a dedicated soundcard?

Caveman

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New rig I'm building will have a MoBo with Realtek 1150 onboard sound. Both sound/video will be pumped out of my PC through the video card to a Denon Rx which I'll drive some large speakers and/or headphones from.

Is it correct to assume this setup would naturally give better sound quality sound than if I had a separate sound card in my PC?
 

Howard

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Are you planning on streaming movies or other media with surround sound that you want to preserve? If so, you'll need to get something with HDMI output, in which case the onboard sound card quality won't matter.
 

Caveman

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Yes, this PC will be used for Home Theater Streaming Netflix, etc... I'll be passing HDI out of the video card... Nvidia 770 GTX
 

Howard

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Yes, this PC will be used for Home Theater Streaming Netflix, etc... I'll be passing HDI out of the video card... Nvidia 770 GTX
I'm pretty sure most modern video cards also pass all audio through their HDMI output. Not 100% sure though, sorry.
 

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Yes. My question is that instead of my MoBo sound getting passed through a soundcard and then to speakers, it's getting passed through an RX and then through speakers. One would think the latter a superior option... Or, am I missing something?

Yes?
 

Howard

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Yes. My question is that instead of my MoBo sound getting passed through a soundcard and then to speakers, it's getting passed through an RX and then through speakers. One would think the latter a superior option... Or, am I missing something?

Yes?
Oh, sorry. Yes, I believe so, as you avoid additional processing stages that would be necessary to use an S/P-DIF output or the like.
 

Auric

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The motherboard audio is irrelevant and may be disabled in the BIOS, thus avoiding software confusion since using the graphics card's audio output to the receiver.
 

Caveman

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So, I'm dumping the raw digital 1s and 0s from the MoBo to the HDMI going to the Rx? So, the Rx is my "sound card"?

Yes?
 

razel

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By using HDMI as your output, in Windows, it will show up in the sound control panel as a HDMI device, that has separate settings which Windows and yourself can consider as a sound card... or a sound playback device in Windows.
 
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Caveman

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So, if I'm dumping the raw digital 1s and 0s from the MoBo to the HDMI which is connected to the Rx, is it correct to think of the Rx as the "sound card"?
 

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I still don't get why people insist on buying sound cards if they are using HDMI and connecting to an audio receiver. Kinda silly when almost all mobos have built in audio.
 

razel

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So, if I'm dumping the raw digital 1s and 0s from the MoBo to the HDMI which is connected to the Rx, is it correct to think of the Rx as the "sound card"?

It's just semantics at this point. Unless your planning on suing a company, defining about whether it's a 'sound card' is pointless. :)

Have you tried it? Does it do what you want it to do?
 

Caveman

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I thanks all for the input, but I'm wondering if nobody knows how to answer a simple question...

It's a conceptual thing... I never said I needed a soundcard... I just wanted to understand how sound signals from the 1s and 0s in a game are routed out of my PC and into an auxiliary source called a receiver...
 

Howard

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I thanks all for the input, but I'm wondering if nobody knows how to answer a simple question...

It's a conceptual thing... I never said I needed a soundcard... I just wanted to understand how sound signals from the 1s and 0s in a game are routed out of my PC and into an auxiliary source called a receiver...
A stereo system doesn't have to have a "sound card" to begin with. This is a term born out of technology developed for personal computers, wherein a piece of hardware was used to convert digital audio files on a PC into a line-level analog output which could then be amplified. A glorified DAC, so to speak, that is able to interface with the PC architecture.

So the answer is "sort of" - the receiver is not a sound card, but you can pretend that there is one inside if it floats your boat.

Anyway, the fact that you're asking this sort of question means you should do a little more homework yourself. It's much more satisfying than getting spoonfed by some people online who aren't really sure what you're asking to begin with.
 
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I think he's just wanting the simple answer so he can conceptualize the setup and make sure it works. I think the issue for him is he's used to PC gaming audio requiring a sound card because of Creative's dominance (where if a game had much audio setup it was almost certainly using Creative stuff due to that whole mess). But in short, the audio is now software baked into the game versus needing a certain sound card to get the full features that a game offers. Then it's up to the game on what it supports, some might just pass through the audio as LPCM, or maybe encode it to Dolby Digital or something.

I can definitely understand his confusion as Creative made a mess of PC audio, and it frankly still is in that while I think the baseline for games has improved (both via better audio processing baked into Windows and games, and better base hardware on motherboards and outputting to receivers or DACs), we really haven't seen it improve. I'm not sure how many games do some of the stuff that even Aureal was doing 15 years ago. That's not to say it's total crap, but gaming audio just seems to be kinda baseline and aiming for the home theater type of crowd (which I don't like as lot of that is gimmicky stuff). I know AMD tried to do some (TruAudio where they had dedicated blocks for audio processing, which is similar to what Creative's newer cards use where they go with like 4 SIMDs and then its all the software doing the actual processing instead of it being tailored specifically to the processor chip like with the Audigy and X-Fi), but that didn't seem to really take off much. And some companies do put in extra (but seems like most of them then toss that away by trying to integrate Dolby processing stuff which I personally am not a big fan of). But the base level is good enough (and I'd say the artistic aspects of the audio are more important) that it doesn't seem to be a big need.
 

razel

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If you are connected to your receiver the audio route *USUALLY* is:

Game audio -> DirectX Audio -> Windows Audio Device (HDMI chosen) -> Video card HDMI audio -> HDMI cable -> receiver.
 
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Caveman

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Thank you all but especially to previous 3 posters than ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS(S) rationally... Appreciated... Agreed on the homework to a degree but this is the homework...