Do Emissions Cause Tornadoes? Climate Service Would Know..GOP Blocks Research

[tydas]

As Homer Simpson would say "Maybe if we ignore it, it will go away."


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print...use-tornadoes-climate-service-would-know.html

 

[xBiffx]

My emissions have be known to cause high winds. That much is certain.

 

[IGBT]

use the money for medical research not alarmist eco-KOOK BS.

 

[werepossum]

As Homer Simpson would say "Maybe if we ignore it, it will go away."


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print...use-tornadoes-climate-service-would-know.html

You can't think of any reason we might not ought to be spending another pile of billion dollar bills for yet another propaganda tool right now? No reason at all? Personally I can think of roughly fifteen trillion reasons not to do this right now.

Besides, the left still claims almost daily that anthropogenic CO2 causes stronger hurricanes even though that's been pretty thoroughly debunked. Why can't you just skip the very expensive middle man and go directly to lying about it causing tornadoes too?

 

[corwin]

I thought it was school children stepping on butterflies in Japan that caused tornadoes?

 

[ViperXX]

Um no, hot air and cold air coming together casue tornados that's why they happen mostly in the spring.

 

[tydas]

I love you guys, really I do...you make me laugh...

 

[kage69]

This reminds me of the scoffing many did about the hydraulic fracturing process causing earthquakes.

Damn eco-KOOKS and their need to know things!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2012/04/17/environment-fracking-earthquake-studies.html


The contempt the GOP has for scientific analysis never fails to amuse...

 

[Matt1970]

You can't think of any reason we might not ought to be spending another pile of billion dollar bills for yet another propaganda tool right now? No reason at all? Personally I can think of roughly fifteen trillion reasons not to do this right now.

Besides, the left still claims almost daily that anthropogenic CO2 causes stronger hurricanes even though that's been pretty thoroughly debunked. Why can't you just skip the very expensive middle man and go directly to lying about it causing tornadoes too?

Now..Now.. You know the first job of any bureaucracy is to protect the bureaucracy. Where would they be without those funds....

 

[werepossum]

Now..Now.. You know the first job of any bureaucracy is to protect the bureaucracy. Where would they be without those funds....

This is true - I just don't think we need to expand it.

 

[Matt1970]

This is true - I just don't think we need to expand it.

I think the next study will be on snail slime reflecting sunlight back into space.

 

[piasabird]

Pressure systems cause tornados. Usually hot and cold are come together causing a spiral wind action. Emissions just make people sick. Why; have you been passing gas a lot or something?

 

[Lemon law]

Even as a strong MMGW believer and think its probably that MMGW is responsible for a increased number of earlier than usual Tornadoes this year, I would tend to side with the GOP in blocking the funds.

Simply because we have a small army of scientists working on the problem already, and they use data over a far larger time period than mere climatologists who are looking at only predicting tomorrow's weather.

The other thing to say that most of the USA had a far warmer and drier winter than usual, but other countries in the Northern Hemisphere had a colder and wetter winter than usual. So things kinda averaged out. As we do not yet know if the number of later season US tornadoes usually due about now will continue to increase or start dropping.

The last thing to say is that the USA, due to its pattern of mountain ranges, always has the most tornadoes in the world..

 

[monovillage]

This reminds me of the scoffing many did about the hydraulic fracturing process causing earthquakes.

Damn eco-KOOKS and their need to know things!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2012/04/17/environment-fracking-earthquake-studies.html


The contempt the GOP has for scientific analysis never fails to amuse...

Who scoffed ? Anyone that knows anything about geology knows that injecting fluids at high pressure along fault lines will cause earthquakes and it's been known for almost 50 years. (Denver area 1967) We also cause earthquakes by filling reservoirs, emptying reservoirs and mining.

 

[piasabird]

I blame it on the Mayans!

Stupid Calendar of Death!

 

[Iron Wolf]

Now..Now.. You know the first job of any bureaucracy is to protect the bureaucracy. Where would they be without those funds....

The furthering of scientific knowledge and the protection of the environment are among the more useful things that the government does. Plus, the amount of money involved is miniscule compared to other expenditures.

 

[monovillage]

Extreme weather events. Read what the IPCC has to say.
http://www.ipcc-wg2.gov/SREX/

or what a climate scientist that specializes in the subject has to say.
http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2012/03/handy-bullshit-button-on-disasters-and.html

With this post I am creating a handy bullshit button on this subject (pictured above). Anytime that you read claims that invoke disasters loss trends as an indication of human-caused climate change, including the currently popular "billion dollar disasters" meme, you can simply call "bullshit" and point to the IPCC SREX report.

 

[sunzt]

use the money for medical research not alarmist eco-KOOK BS.

From the article:

In November, however, Republican members of the House of Representatives killed that plan, even though it would have required no new funding at all. The agency already collects and analyzes climate data, and publishes outlooks for events such as floods, wildfires and droughts, but the information is spread across various offices and is therefore not centrally coordinated.

The House members worry that a dedicated office might reinforce a reality they don’t recognize: that greenhouse-gas emissions are changing Earth’s climate.

 

[piasabird]

Yes we should quit piping all that water to Arizona and California. That is what is causing the earthquakes.

 

[Ninjahedge]

D'oh!

Although saying "no new funds" is a fallacy. You need money to clean up anyone elses mess. Consolidating the data will take time, but nowhere near what the nay-sayers would have the conservative base believe.

 

[werepossum]

I think the next study will be on snail slime reflecting sunlight back into space.

Probably.

I blame it on the Mayans!

Stupid Calendar of Death!

+1

The furthering of scientific knowledge and the protection of the environment are among the more useful things that the government does. Plus, the amount of money involved is miniscule compared to other expenditures.

Problem is, a few billion here and a few billion there and pretty soon you're looking at some real money. We have a government that is spending almost twice what it's taking in and it's largely built of a mountain of expenditures that are minuscule compared to the overall mountain. Balance the budget and beginning paying down our Greece-sized debt whilst matching our larger-than-Greece-sized obligations, then we'll talk about your newest wish list of minuscule programs.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Yes we should quit piping all that water to Arizona and California. That is what is causing the earthquakes.

Um... that makes no sense what-so-ever.

You are taking things that have no connection what-so-ever and lumping them in an attempt to prove a point. The problem is, it just does not fit. Like purple cows and meteorites.

Hydrofracking CAN destabilize the geology causing tremors. Emissions DO effect the climate, and the climate DOES effect weather, so emissions CAN have an effect on things like tornadoes and hurricanes. The thing is, it is not direct, and it is not easily associable.

So claiming one years record storm count on car emissions is BS, but asking for a trend study to determine how much they may contribute (overall) is not.

 

[cubby1223]

I believe that internet political partisan hacks causes tornadoes. I want the federal government to give me a billion dollars to further my research.

 

[cave_dweller]

What do they use to work out these things? Computers? I am still waiting on the computer to be invented thats fast enough to work out the data of the whole earth

 

[DrPizza]

Even as a strong MMGW believer and think its probably that MMGW is responsible for a increased number of earlier than usual Tornadoes this year, I would tend to side with the GOP in blocking the funds.

Isn't that nice. You side with the GOP in blocking the funds.

Except... that isn't what they did.

In November, however, Republican members of the House of Representatives killed that plan, even though it would have required no new funding at all.