Do computer games cheat? Do programmers give the CPU an unfair advantage?

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Playing espn basketball 2k4 on PS2 and I'm losing by 3 points to hornets with about 30 seconds left, I'm about to block magloire's dunk or at least give him a foul. Bosh hits his ARM, yes, the defender's arm went through his arm and magloire gets the dunk and 1. Magloire's shot should've been either 1) blocked or his arm pulled back so he couldn't make the dunk.

That's not the worst part. On the SAME play, VC is guarding mashburn on the perimeter and guess what HE GETS INJURED! He's not doing anything and he gets a sprained knee. :| They take out my top scorer just to win. :| I've played over 150 games and not 1 player has ever been injured just standing there.

Do you guys think games "cheat"? Do the programmers implement something that gives the CPU some sort of unfair advantage outside the rules of the game? I'm mostly talking about sports games, maybe fighting games, and racing games...
 
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Originally posted by: Ronstang
There is more than likely a higher probability that you simply suck.
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nah.. I was 38-0 or something like that in that season on the hardest mode.
 
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Ronstang

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Originally posted by: fivespeed5
Originally posted by: Ronstang
There is more than likely a higher probability that you simply suck.
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nah.. I was 38-0 or something like that in that season on the hardest mode.
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It was a joke.....maybe the problem is you are taking a game way too serious. ;)

 
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PowerMacG5

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Depends. EA sports games are notorious for cheating. For instance you can lead a whole race in a racing game, and the computer will come up on you and knock you into a wall causing you to lose a race.
 
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Vilica

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in Need for Speed: Underground, the AI/computer activity cheats to win. Hidden poles I've hit once in 30 races, traffic in blind turns, different physical reactions to the exact same turn/jump, and the AI pulling on me when I'm doing 180 in the Skyline.
 
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Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: fivespeed5
Originally posted by: Ronstang
There is more than likely a higher probability that you simply suck.
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nah.. I was 38-0 or something like that in that season on the hardest mode.
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It was a joke.....maybe the problem is you are taking a game way too serious. ;)
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well not really too serious, I was just thinking is it psychological or real? I'm sure many people have been beat here on say madden by the computer in the last few seconds thinking they cheated. Or in a fighting game thinking the computer cheated.
 
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Originally posted by: Vilica
in Need for Speed: Underground, the AI/computer activity cheats to win. Hidden poles I've hit once in 30 races, traffic in blind turns, different physical reactions to the exact same turn/jump, and the AI pulling on me when I'm doing 180 in the Skyline.
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hidden poles? I've been frustrated w/ NFSU but never hit any hidden poles. The computers are faster than your car but other than that nothin.
 
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Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Yes.

Blizzard AI cheats.
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really? I know on harder difficulty levels workers get more gold per worker than you do. Other than that they follow the same rules.
 
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zixxer

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What I hate the most is when the computer doesn't distinguish each racer as an individiual driver.. as in, if your in 1st, the 2nd place AI car will wreck the crap out of you, and wrecking himself, just so you lose..
 
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Spooner

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Madden is definitely notorious for this. When I'm up by more than 10 points in the fourth quarter, my opponent suddenly becomes unstoppable even when I've been shutting them down all game. Highly frustrating and equally annoying.
 
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MegaloManiaK

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Often yes, and in car games NOTORIOUSLY.
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I don't play racing games for this and one other reason.

Its a program, there is no reaction time and unlike in say a basketball game the computer isn't facing the player. Writing AI to win a race is as simple as maping out a line that it will follow that takes it right into the sweet spot of every turn.

At least when you play a sports game or a FPS the AI has to deal with what the player does and you can beat it by being good. The only reason you ever win a race is because the computer is programed to mess up some things to give you a chance.

And yes, ive played plenty of games that "cheat" i'll be ahead by a longshot with madden and boom the other team starts hitting passes mad crazy.
 
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nitsuj3580

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usually at least in sports games you have something to the equivalent of easy, normal, and hard modes.

In easy mode, the computer is a joke. Normal the computer is fairly competitive but I usually dont get a lot of the CPU cheating that is talked about. However, in the hard modes, it happens quite a bit like in Madden, running backs become untackable or WR's can catch a ball in quadruple coverage.

I just usually play the games at normal modes even though it doesn't get to be much of a challenge after awhile. I play with friends mostly so I avoid the CPU problems
 
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Hammer

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well "cheating" is the easiest way to tweak the difficulty of a lot of game, so yeah, im not at all surprised.
 
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KokomoGST

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I remember there was a thread a short time ago about the EA programmers tendency to use cheats to increase game difficulty.
It's the easy way out I guess instead of designing a more difficult and complex AI that will be competitive fairly.
 
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Aftermath

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Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Yes.

Blizzard AI cheats.
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I don't think it cheats as much as sucks the big one.
Nothing discourages you faster than playing a quick random match against the AI in WCII/SC/WCIII, and every single opponant team will rush your base at the exact same time. Even more fun, is that if you hold off the attack and survive, the AI merely recoils slowly in their bases, eventually sending a couple teir one units at you while you leisurely obliterate them with vastly superior forces.

The campaign/scripted AI is a different story though.

Yeah, I think some games cheat. Either blatently like in racing games, or through unbalanced numbers and odds in other games like RPGs.
 
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