Do Burned CDs Have a Short Life Span?

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312

Opinions vary on how to preserve data on digital storage media, such as optical CDs and DVDs. Kurt Gerecke, a physicist and storage expert at IBM Deutschland, has his own view: If you want to avoid having to burn new CDs every few years, use magnetic tapes to store all your pictures, videos and songs for a lifetime.

"Unlike pressed original CDs, burned CDs have a relatively short life span of between two to five years, depending on the quality of the CD," Gerecke says. "There are a few things you can do to extend the life of a burned CD, like keeping the disc in a cool, dark space, but not a whole lot more."

The problem is material degradation. Optical discs commonly used for burning, such as CD-R and CD-RW, have a recording surface consisting of a layer of dye that can be modified by heat to store data. The degradation process can result in the data "shifting" on the surface and thus becoming unreadable to the laser beam.

"Many of the cheap burnable CDs available at discount stores have a life span of around two years," Gerecke says. "Some of the better-quality discs offer a longer life span, of a maximum of five years."

Distinguishing high-quality burnable CDs from low-quality discs is difficult, he says, because few vendors use life span as a selling point.



Similar Limitations

Hard-drive disks also have their limitations, according to Gerecke. The problem with hard drives, he says, is not so much the disk itself as it is the disk bearing, which has a positioning function similar to a ball bearing. "If the hard drive uses an inexpensive disk bearing, that bearing will wear out faster than a more expensive one," he says. His recommendation: a hard-drive disk with 7200 revolutions per minute.

To overcome the preservation limitations of burnable CDs, Gerecke suggests using magnetic tapes, which, he claims, can have a life span of 30 years to 100 years, depending on their quality. "Even if magnetic tapes are also subject to degradation, they're still the superior storage media," he says.

But he's quick to point out that no storage medium lasts forever and, consequently, consumers and business alike need to have a migration plan to new storage technologies.

"Companies, in particular, need to be constantly looking at new storage technologies and have an archiving strategy that allows them to automatically migrate to new technologies," he says. "Otherwise, they're going to wind up in a dead-end. And for those sitting on terabytes of crucial data, that could be a colossal problem."
 

tw1164

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some of my older cd-r have gotten a yellow tint to them, when I notice that I re-record them
 

jagec

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Buy Fujifilm CDRs if you want a long lifespan...it's still only a few years, though. Like 6 or 7.
 

acemcmac

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I have no way of getting back a lot of the iso's I've burned to CD over the years. I pray that I dodge this bullet via the high quality media I have always used...
 

iamwiz82

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I have a binder full of backups from 7 years ago that still work. i just referenced one the other day. I keep them in a dark place, though.
 

clamum

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Most of the ones I have burned have lasted about three to four years.
 

Trader05

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Buy Fujifilm CDRs if you want a long lifespan...it's still only a few years, though. Like 6 or 7.

In my experience with the older Fuji TY's (grey tops), after a while they start to flake off from the inside out, anyone else have this problem? I know that the generic silver topped cd-rs are complete crap, flaking and easily scratched. I noticed i was going through some of my old cd-rs the other day and found an old local band's demo from 3 years ago. I started playing it and it sounded like an old record, after playing it like 2 times it would not read in my car anymore, no scratches or holes. Then again i have a Verbatim Datalife plus from 4 years ago that plays like a champ, no flaking, light scratches, great cd-rs.
 

drinkmorejava

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ZIP 100 FTW, but meh, I have tons of cds from ~5 years ago and they work fine. Only problem I've had is the reflective packing on some crappy 2xcd-rws falling off.
 

Triumph

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I recently lost my first ever burned disc to the elements. A "Mr. Data" brand CD-R that I burned in 1998. Disc sat in my car for years. That's the only burned disc I've had go bad from influence other than scratches.
 

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haven't had a problem of accessing burned CDs (unless they were horribly scratched or peeling). this goes back to the days of starting a burn process before you go to sleep so they're ready the next morning.
 

thecoolnessrune

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Lol use magnetic storage. Put your games on there. That way when you load a level, it will take a couple minuted just to access the start of the level file :p
 
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Sounds more like someone is trying to sell tape drives.

I remember working for CompUSSR. Tape back ups then were iffy at best. 1 in tapes would break and jam up the tape drive, didn't matter which brand. I've got CD-R's that are 7 years old and I keep them in a binder. I pul them out once in a blue moon and they work everytime.

Tips
Don't Microwave your cd-rs and they'll be fine.
Don't leave them in your car if you don't have a duplicate stored at home in a binder.
Don't buy a tape drive, it's not worth it.
 

Ronstang

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I have discs that are 7+ years old that still work fine. I do store them in dark cool places though.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: mindmaniac
Than I guess that same would apply to DVD-R

If not even more so. Seems more and more blank DVD makers are losing quality. Ridata use to be great, now they have problems. Those Taiyo's you have, opps there fake.

Only real good blank DVDs I can think of right now are taiyo yuden (real) and verbatim (mcc). Most others seem to have problems either short or long term.

 

Looney

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
I have a binder full of backups from 7 years ago that still work. i just referenced one the other day. I keep them in a dark place, though.

I have some Maxwell CDRs that are about 7-8 years as well... they're all divx. It's got a success rate of about 70% or so in reading them without any problems. I also have some CDRs that are just silver topped no-name brand... same age as well. Their success rate is like 10%... and they're my porn too :(
 

Looney

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There are archive grade CD/DVDRs out there... they actually use 24k gold in the top layer.