Do babies go to hell, and what's up with God-Jesus dying?

[RSaylors]

The main issue Jesus addresses is loving your fellow man and letting God work in you so that you can get past your own selfish lust, selfish greed and selfish pride.

God is perfect; he will create a reality with us in it that incorporates what is perfect in us. For now existence is flawed, the birthing pains of our future reality: would you be who you are without your suffering? To have faith in Christ is to love others at the cost of selfishness. To love others at the cost of selfish desires is to love Christ.

All of this selflessness is not earned; it comes from God giving us the ability.

A baby has no concept of others; a baby cannot be selfish if it doesn't know there is selflessness. A baby is a potential for future love or harm, but before that state it is only a beauty that allows for us to love it.

Christ lives in every human and how we treat every human is how Christ will judge us for having treated him. Babies are the greatest of all of Gods saved creatures, not because they are 'innocent' but because they live entirely by grace and love. We should strive to be politically and socially aware enough to work against everything that increases infant mortality and work towards everything that decreases it. I truly hate how this loving idea has been co-opted by many institutions that seek the opposite outcome. This is what Christ stands for: love, selflessness and helping because it is the human-loving thing to do.

God became Jesus, this is impossible. Jesus-God had the needs of a man, this is also impossible. God-Jesus died because some guys nailed him to a tree for saying how it would be a good idea if we all were just nice to each-other, this too is impossible. God-as-man came back from the dead after three days, this is also... impossible. Jesus spoke, in the flesh and blood, to thousands who were willing to testify to the death that they encountered him, after his death, which is of course impossible. Christ Jesus was then raised into an ethereal reality where he now sits at the right hand of the creator of all existence (which he happens to also be) and prepares a place for those of us who love him, which as we all know is impossible as well.

SO! If you're able to believe in six impossible things before breakfast, why not top it off with self-denying faith in Christ? Faith doesn't make logical sense, but if you accept selfless-other-loving truth and side with God against yourself you'll have the most fulfilled existence possible!

I'm not trying to preach, not really. And I don't expect to convince anyone of anything: your world view is yours, that's cool, I don't think you're "wrong" just different. Jesus said he didn't come for the people that don't need him. He came for the crack-addicts and emotionally broken. I just wanted to clear up what seem like a number of misconceptions about the biblical Jesus.

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You're "not trying to preach?" Seems like that's exactly what you're doing. Whatever happened to that commandment about not bearing false witness?

Harvey
Senior AnandTech Moderator/Administrator

 

[Sea Moose]

tl dr. Religion is a pile of crap

 

[RSaylors]

tl dr. Religion is a pile of crap

agreed

We should strive to be politically and socially aware enough to work against everything that increases infant mortality and work towards everything that decreases it. I truly hate how this loving idea has been co-opted by many institutions that seek the opposite outcome.

 

[TridenT]

God doesn't exist. It's an impossibility. People like to relate the nature of humans to deities but that's impossible.

 

[TridenT]

agreed

what...

 

[AbAbber2k]

Lol religion

 

[RSaylors]

what...

Religion, as pointed out by the moose, has been a major cause of the perversion of the loving each-other teachings of Christ. Do you think that if people were honestly doing what Jesus said and loving each other, being selfless and letting God work through us in love we would have: the crusades, the burning times, repeated expulsion of Jews, the inquisition, indulgences, slavery...

Churches getting between a loving God and man accepting selfishness-denying grace is exactly what Jesus came to stop; but a lot of people can't handle the responsibility of giving all of their disposable cash not to a church, but to loving each-other... so they prefer the much easier investment of 10 percent so some guy in a hat can say they're "OK" people, even if they did let that kid die in china so they could have some cheaper sneakers.

 

[Arcadio]

Lol.. people thinking they know everything... lol

 

[RSaylors]

Lol.. people thinking they know everything... lol

Again, I agree:

I don't expect to convince anyone of anything: your world view is yours, that's cool, I don't think you're "wrong" just different.

 

[disappoint]

tl;dr

But I've noticed you've devoted time out of your precious life today to post about religion instead of science. hmmmm...

 

[Bateluer]

tl dr. Religion is a pile of crap

Pretty sure there was a thing called the Black Death in there. Hard to advance scientifically when the central power, the Romans, collapses and followed by major plagues.

But, I generally agree. We could be like the Tolans from SG1 right now.

 

[MotF Bane]

Pretty sure there was a thing called the Black Death in there. Hard to advance scientifically when the central power, the Romans, collapses and followed by major plagues.

But, I generally agree. We could be like the Tolans from SG1 right now.

Yeah, but science could have been advanced enough to have said "hey, rats carry disease!"

 

[RSaylors]

tl;dr

But I've noticed you've devoted time out of your precious life today to post about religion instead of science. hmmmm...

This is a consistent theme; no one has come onto this thread having actually read it and being upset with what I said.

I posted about research, some personal thoughts, the movie inception and teaching in another, nearly ignored, thread that went up a bit earlier.

I would love to talk about it... please, go to that post

 

[Homerboy]

RSaylors, what you failed to realize though is that psoting a thread about religion in ATOT is never, EVER going to result in a cicilized discussion.... never. It will immiedately start into a bashing; as that is the in vogue thing to do on ATOT.

 

[FelixDeCat]

RSaylors, what you failed to realize though is that psoting a thread about religion in ATOT is never, EVER going to result in a cicilized discussion.... never. It will immiedately start into a bashing; as that is the in vogue thing to do on ATOT.

I agree. Too many trolls like Sea Moose, etc. Nothing intelligent to add, just insults. Very constructive.

Anyway, babies do go to heaven and Jesus physically died for our sins but lives at this very moment in heaven. He will return again to judge the living and the dead.

 

[BAMAVOO]

Your Non Belief is Impossible.


“For we walk by faith, not by sight.' II Corinthians 5:7”

 

[Sea Moose]

I agree. Too many trolls like Sea Moose, etc. Nothing intelligent to add, just insults. Very constructive.

Anyway, babies do go to heaven and Jesus physically died for our sins but lives at this very moment in heaven. He will return again to judge the living and the dead.

Do you really believe that crap?

And how do you know that your faith is the correct one? Perhaps the ancient Egyptian gods are the correct ones. Horus is gonna be mighty pissed you have been worshiping a false man god by the name of Jesus.

Humans cannot assign blame for our failings to any made up gods. Most things can be explained by science. Science has done more for man kind than any religion.

Religion is dying. Give it a couple of generations and as science makes more medical advances and we clean up the planet we shall do away with 2000plus year old silly beliefs.

 

[Sea Moose]

Your Non Belief is Impossible.


“For we walk by faith, not by sight.' II Corinthians 5:7”

You are quoting words written by a dude.

i can play that game too.


General Douglas MacArthur (1880 - 1964)

Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons.

 

[yllus]

Like most religious fables it's poorly thought out, but at least the story of Jesus is one of a rather respectable humanitarian and not a warrior or conqueror through other means.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Do you really believe that crap?

Your version of hostile, militant atheism is crap. :thumbsdown:

 

[Sea Moose]

Your version of hostile, militant atheism is crap. :thumbsdown:

Why do you think i am an atheist?

I have a military bible on my desk next to me.

I believe that religion has its place. And its place is far too high on peoples agenda. Islam has it completely wrong and i believe that it is evil. I think that religion is personal, somthing that you can keep to yourself or share with others that have a similar belief.


But once you use religion to, say, stop a child from having a life saving operation or blood transfusion, then religion is evil and is holding mankind back.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Why do you think i am an atheist?

I have a military bible on my desk next to me.

I believe that religion has its place. And its place is far too high on peoples agenda. Islam has it completely wrong and i believe that it is evil. I think that religion is personal, somthing that you can keep to yourself or share with others that have a similar belief.


But once you use religion to, say, stop a child from having a life saving operation or blood transfusion, then religion is evil and is holding mankind back.

Do you deny being an atheist? Yes or no. You cant have it both ways because you are just playing games (ie. trolling). If organized religion is your hangup, then say so.

And because some people misuse the bible to do things they should not is no reason to bad mouth belief in God like you do. Thats like saying all cops around the world are bad just because some some of them take bribes. Criticize the individuals, not Gods message.

 

[Homerboy]

......and away we go...........!

 

[totalnoob]

I love raptorjesus

 

[Sea Moose]

Do you deny being an atheist? Yes or no. You cant have it both ways because you are just playing games (ie. trolling). If organized religion is your hangup, then say so.

And because some people misuse the bible to do things they should not is no reason to bad mouth belief in God like you do. Thats like saying all cops around the world are bad just because some some of them take bribes. Criticize the individuals, not Gods message.

What i am is none of your fucking business.

I think that religion has become so completely perverted and misused that there is only rare positives that come from it.

Unfortunately the score is stacked heavily against religion. As depicted in the picture i posted earlier.

The times when religion is positive. When a widow is comforted by the hope her husband is in a better place. If the husband was a soldier then chances are he died fighting the evil scourge known as islam.

So the negatives out weigh the positives.

I think that if there is a greater force and, i sometimes get the feeling that there is something greater. Our human minds are far too small to properly describe it.

I think that native Americans are far closer to god by living in tune with the land.



Science has done far more positive for mankind than any religion