" Meanwhile, reporting the Swift Boat crap -- obviously a fabrication, readily refuted, and clearly a partisan smear against Kerry -- results in no known disciplinary actions and virtually no criticism in the corporate media. Something to ponder in between parroting the Bush talking points."
Can you be specific? The swift boat "partisan smear" dealt with a dozen+ different questions about his service. Sure, some of their claims were wild, but many of their questions needed answers, which they did not get.
Can you be specific? The swift boat "partisan smear" dealt with a dozen+ different questions about his service. Sure, some of their claims were wild, but many of their questions needed answers, which they did not get.
Medicare Modernization Act
Department of Homeland Security
Patriot Act
I would say the bandits with their hands in the Treasury definitely support big government . . . granted it's a reasonable assertion that there aren't many "conservatives" in the Beltway GOP.
Not like the Dems have a lot of choice, given the borg-like level of bipartisanship from the Bush Camp.
Dems learn, if a little slowly. Probably the most blatant example of Bush's sense of honesty and fair play is over judicial appointees. Dems allow 95%, block the most objectionable, and the Bushies scream like little girls. So they work out a deal where Bush withdraws the names of the ten most objectionable in return for expeditious treatment of the rest. Dems hold up their end, and then Bush appoints a few of the ten to interim posts, and resubmits all their names...
Tell us again, CsG, who's stabbing who in the back?
It gets tougher from here, after the deceptions wrt NCLB, Patriot Act, WOI, Senior drug benefit, and the whole judiciary thing... I'm sure there are a few more I've failed to mention...
As has been said, Dems aren't falling for it any more, and if the repubs want it their way or the highway, then have at it, hammer and tongs. If you win, it's all yours, and we can't be blamed when it turns into the usual chump cluster...
Bush volunteered for Vietnam? Any evidence to back that up, other than the rather dubious claim of a Bush Partisan?
Dems learn, if a little slowly. Probably the most blatant example of Bush's sense of honesty and fair play is over judicial appointees. Dems allow 95%, block the most objectionable, and the Bushies scream like little girls. So they work out a deal where Bush withdraws the names of the ten most objectionable in return for expeditious treatment of the rest. Dems hold up their end, and then Bush appoints a few of the ten to interim posts, and resubmits all their names...
Tell us again, CsG, who's stabbing who in the back?
It gets tougher from here, after the deceptions wrt NCLB, Patriot Act, WOI, Senior drug benefit, and the whole judiciary thing... I'm sure there are a few more I've failed to mention...
As has been said, Dems aren't falling for it any more, and if the repubs want it their way or the highway, then have at it, hammer and tongs. If you win, it's all yours, and we can't be blamed when it turns into the usual chump cluster...
Bush volunteered for Vietnam? Any evidence to back that up, other than the rather dubious claim of a Bush Partisan?
Bowfinger
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Specific? Sorry, not tonight. It's been thoroughly and frequently discussed here before. If you truly are unfamiliar with the facts, feel free to search for them.
In general, however, as I recall, their allegations were contradicted by all available military documentation and by all testimony by anyone outside of the Swift Boat Liars. We learned the group was funded by a well-know Texas Bush financier and supporter. We know the group actively and deceptively recruited people to join their smear campaign, and that in at least some cases, they included veterans who said they were NOT interested. We know that virtually none of the group served directly with Kerry; many (most?) had reportedly never even met him. We know their single consistent common qualification was intense hatred for Kerry for criticizing the Vietnam war after he returned to the U.S. In short, Bush used a proxy to round up a bunch of vets with a grudge against Kerry, then used a compliant corporate (i.e., right-wing) media to give them a podium for every absurd charge they could invent.
Finally, I know that you are changing the subject, presumably to avoid my earlier points.
to plagurize Jon Stewart... the problem with CBS is that they actually used evidence, whereas the SBV just posed questions that got repeated over and over again for months until the questions eventually became facts
(god, I can't believe I'd ever get into a discussion about this again)
Personally, who gives a flying frog leg?! Arguably, Bush has never served while Kerry was a decorated "volunteer" . . . who got elected? Max Cleland certainly served, while Saxby Chambliss (apparently an avid runner) received a deferment due to bad knees. Chambliss (along with the national GOP) ran a sewage campaign of half-truths and insinuation . . . who got elected?
Service, distinguished (Kerry, Chambliss) or otherwise (Bush43) is neither necessary nor sufficient for elected office. And for the record . . . Bush didn't volunteer for service in Vietnam. I may be mistaken but if GWB really wanted to go to Vietnam, I'm sure infantry was available. Instead he "wiggled" into ANG slot and scarcely fulfilled their meager requirements.
As I've stated, it's the Democrats like Ol swimmer who have stabbed Bush in the back. No doubt Bush will extend more opportunities in the next four years too - lets hope the Democrats have learned that people see right through their charade and plainly see the knife in their hand. Well... lets hope - meaning for the sake of the Democratic party
CsG
EXACTLY! Hand picked by the Kerry campaign. If he had signed a public release, I would be calling them out for the hack jobs they are. His refusal to make his record public tells me there's something in there. It may or may not be something they found, but it's something he wanted hidden.
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
As I've stated, it's the Democrats like Ol swimmer who have stabbed Bush in the back. No doubt Bush will extend more opportunities in the next four years too - lets hope the Democrats have learned that people see right through their charade and plainly see the knife in their hand. Well... lets hope - meaning for the sake of the Democratic party
CsG
I have absolutely no idea how you came to that conclusion. Usually I can at least understand the thought process, but this just leaves me at a loss
PLEASE PLEASE edit your post. BaliDoc. Chambliss is a smug bastard who doesn't deserve being mistaken for Max Cleland.
Why should Democrats in safe seats and even marginal seats bend over to service the GWB dogma? All they are going to do is smile in public but work hard to unseat you. Politics is cyclical. parties can sweep into power as voters sentiment and demographics change i.e. stay the course or time for change. Democrats can stand on core beliefs and gain seats again. For the good of this country, I wish GWB well. But when he is wrong, I hope the Democrats stand up against him.
The Republican controls everything, they can take all the credit as well as all the blame.
I have to agree with you there. Saxby Chambliss ran a dirty, really dirty rotten slimey campaign against the war hero Max Cleland. He ran ads that that OBL next to Cleland! Comparing the two even wow
That was disgusting how Chambliss unjustly ripped Cleland to shreads.
Good, I'm tired of everyone thinking the answer to our problems is for everybody to "get with the program" and act like Bush is our benevolent dictator. That isn't how our system works, I'm glad the next 4 years won't be Bush doing whatever the hell he wants without anyone to counter him. I only wish the Democrats had stepped up to bat earlier, like with the Patriot Act and Iraq.
And for those of you who think this will hurt them, I think you're wrong. Bush supporters keep saying voters admire strength and determination, and I think a big reason Bush won is because voters didn't see those things from the Democratic side of the fense. Far from hurting the Dems, standing up to Bush will give them a big boost when elections role around again. Not because of the principles, but because people respect those who are willing to stand up and fight for things.
And for those of you who think this will hurt them, I think you're wrong. Bush supporters keep saying voters admire strength and determination, and I think a big reason Bush won is because voters didn't see those things from the Democratic side of the fense. Far from hurting the Dems, standing up to Bush will give them a big boost when elections role around again. Not because of the principles, but because people respect those who are willing to stand up and fight for things.
jman19
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
As I've stated, it's the Democrats like Ol swimmer who have stabbed Bush in the back. No doubt Bush will extend more opportunities in the next four years too - lets hope the Democrats have learned that people see right through their charade and plainly see the knife in their hand. Well... lets hope - meaning for the sake of the Democratic party
CsG
Good job quoting only part of Jhhnn's post and ignoring the point he made before he asked this question. Oh well, just another typical CsG post.
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Bad bad DNC, not "working with Bush" to destroy Social Security, rack up huge deficits, and overturn women's rights. Bad!!!
Maybe you should run for DNC Chairmen. You seem to know all their talking points.
Bush doesn't need the Democrats to support his failed policies. The GOP controls all branches of government. Let them be responsible for the mess.
ever though why GOP controls all branches of government??
Because they learned from the democrats about how to pander to the religous side of the people to push their agenda forward.
I'm confident that you're not the only one who noticed the contradiction there, jman19. CsG and the radical Right have an agenda, and a mantra to go along with it, neither of which have much of a relationship with reality. Rant, rinse, repeat, ad nauseum.
If caught in an obvious deception or misrepresentation, there are always the time tested backup slurs and innuendo, the "ol' Swimmer" bit being a favorite way to create a distraction, avoid cognitive dissonance.
Transparent? Absolutely, just not quite the way he intended.
If caught in an obvious deception or misrepresentation, there are always the time tested backup slurs and innuendo, the "ol' Swimmer" bit being a favorite way to create a distraction, avoid cognitive dissonance.
Transparent? Absolutely, just not quite the way he intended.
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
As I've stated, it's the Democrats like Ol swimmer who have stabbed Bush in the back. No doubt Bush will extend more opportunities in the next four years too - lets hope the Democrats have learned that people see right through their charade and plainly see the knife in their hand. Well... lets hope - meaning for the sake of the Democratic party
CsG
Good job quoting only part of Jhhnn's post and ignoring the point he made before he asked this question. Oh well, just another typical CsG post.
He addressed that part specifically to me and I answered. I answered. The rest of his post is his usual Dem apologist BS with a healthy dose of Republican hating. Nothing new there.
But hey, don't let the facts get in your way...
CsG
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