DNC chair Schultz dropped from convention amid email debacle over Bernie Sanders

SP33Demon

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/politics/dnc-wikileaks-emails/index.html

(CNN)Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz will not speak at or preside over the party's convention this week, a decision reached by party officials Saturday after emails surfaced that raised questions about the committee's impartiality during the Democratic primary.
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"She's been quarantined," another top Democrat said of Wasserman Schultz, following a meeting Saturday night.
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One email appears to show DNC staffers asking how they can reference Bernie Sanders' faith to weaken him in the eyes of Southern voters. Another seems to depict an attorney advising the committee on how to defend Hillary Clinton against an accusation by the Sanders campaign of not living up to a joint fundraising agreement.
This is seen as a concession to Sanders, who has been furious at Wasserman Schultz for what he believed was favoritism to Clinton.
The Democrat familiar with the decision said it was done in hopes of preventing chaos on the convention floor among Sanders supporters.

Bernie Sanders in interview - "It's an outrage and I'm sad."

What a shitshow. Only proves the DNC was out to get Sanders from the get go.

Bernie supporters, why the fuck would you vote Clinton when there's now hard evidence that your own party sabotaged Bernie? What a dumpster fire. I feel bad for Bernie.

Update#1: Schultz resigns for acting unethically and is promptly promoted as.... honorary chair of hillary's campaign.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/latest-obama-criticizes-trump-nato-comments-40832342
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Hillary Clinton is thanking her "longtime friend" Debbie Wasserman Schultz after the Florida congresswoman's decision to step down as chair of the Democratic National Committee.

Clinton says that Wasserman Schultz will serve as honorary chair of her campaign's 50-state program to help elect Democrats around the country.

The presumptive Democratic presidential nominee says she looks forward to campaigning with Wasserman Schultz in Florida "and helping her re-election bid."

Update #2: Hillary was just asked on 60 minutes if a DNC "effort to favor one candidate" over another would be improper. She refused to answer.
https://twitter.com/stephenfhayes/status/757381646731579392
 
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flexy

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Sanders supporters have no other choice than the fuck voting for Clinton, the idea that Trump appeals to Sanders supporters or any liberal/left/progressive is absurd.

Here is the irony: Any shit uncovered now not in favor of Clinton (and rest assured, there is TONS and most of us KNOW that, we're not that stupid!) will of course play into Trump's hands... because this sure won't "motivate" people to go out voting for C. And the less folks voting for C, the better the odds for T.

-- But, if you ask me. The horrible DWS seems now to be entirely canned....but this comes "a little late"...aka AFTER THE NOMINATION?

In what democracy, I ask, are actual efforts being made to suppress ONE candidate and favor the other? This is not a democracy (and here I agree with Trump), the system is rigged. However pointing this out with evidence AFTER the fact is a little pointless.

To me, this nomination process, likely the entire primaries are not valid. I am not saying this as a Sanders supporter "who is pissed that he lost", but simply pointing out the facts.
 
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Subyman

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Lol dumpster fire? There is only one dumpster fire, and it's blazing bright orange.
 

SP33Demon

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Blatant concern trolling.
You don't feel bad for Sanders now that it's confirmed the DNC was trying to sabotage his campaign?

More importantly, how does it feel to vote for a rigged candidate? Would love to hear how you can reconcile that with a straight face.
 

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Sanders supporters have no other choice than the fuck voting for Clinton, the idea that Trump appeals to Sanders supporters or any liberal/left/progressive is absurd.
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It's not absurd when you realize the media has been being manipulated by the DNC.

For example, from 1997 - long before this election. Mar Del Lago was presented in some media outlets as an example of Trump Racism.

How does this 1997 article jive with that - keeping in mind many of his competitors in the area did not allow Jews or African-Americans in their membership rolls :

Trump's Palm Beach Club Roils the Old Social Order



For Mr. Trump and his club set, Mar-a-Lago is a saving grace, affronting hypocrisy in a corseted culture of snobs. "Palm Beach is very much changing for the better," says the New York real-estate tycoon, "and a lot of that is because of Mar-a-Lago."

But for the old money that has long dominated this town -- mostly staid, conservative, publicity-shy philanthropists who donate tens of thousands of dollars at social functions each "season" -- Mar-a-Lago and its owner are the town's vulgar future made unpleasantly present.
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The culture clash began to approach a climax last fall, when Mr. Trump's lawyer sent members of the town council a copy of the film "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner," a film that deals with upper-class racism. Mr. Trump then approached the town council about lifting the restrictions that had been placed on the club.
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Last December, after the council refused to lift the restrictions, Mr. Trump filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Palm Beach, alleging that the town was discriminating against Mar-a-Lago, in part because it is open to Jews and African-Americans. The suit seeks $100 million in damages.
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The episode shook the Palm Beach establishment, unaccustomed to having its linen, dirty or not, aired publicly.
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Now, Mr. Foxman seems pleased that Mr. Trump has elevated the issue of discriminatory policies at social clubs. "He put the light on Palm Beach," Mr. Foxman says. "Not on the beauty and the glitter, but on its seamier side of discrimination. It has an impact."

In recent weeks, Mr. Foxman says, the league [Anti-Defamation League ] has received calls from Jewish residents telling of how Palm Beach clubs are changing. Locals concur that in the past year, organizations such as the Bath and Tennis Club have begun to admit Jewish patrons. The Palm Beach Civic Association, which for many years was believed to engage in discriminatory behavior, this month named a Jewish resident as its chief officer.

Mr. Trump's critics credit a more general social evolution. "You see gradual change, changes in attitudes," says Frank Chopin, lawyer for the Preservation Foundation of Palm Beach.


And here's an example of a Bernie supporter going Trump :

https://twitter.com/ScottFordTVGuy


Here he is with Sanders :

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If I had the time I could give you thousands of examples, you just need to look.
 
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Republicans will vote the party line and Dems will vote the party line because neither candidate is worthy of switching. Goddam pathetic it's like choosing between being hanged or electrocuted.
 

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The only bad thing in the emails was one guy saying they should use Sanders religion against him.

But they didn't because someone else said "no".

That's it. One thing they didn't even end up doing.
 

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Heard on the news this AM that the Russians (since they are the ones who hacked it) may have leaked this to help Trump. If this had happened to Trump I'm sure that theory would have been all over the news by now.
 

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The only bad thing in the emails was one guy saying they should use Sanders religion against him.

But they didn't because someone else said "no".

That's it. One thing they didn't even end up doing.

It seems that when it picking a favorite candidate, madness isn't far behind. If your candidate doesn't win it is a confirmation that the universe is out to get you. I believe that Sanders was the best candidate despite the fact that some of his economics are perhaps delusional, but the only reason he didn't win is because people see differently than I do. Any conspiracy to keep him out of office, if such actually exists, is because somebody else justified their actions based on the notion that Clinton would be better.

Only by self abnegation, the refusal to trust in certainty, can one not seek THE ONE RING.

I like your post.
 
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Speedy being serious and I'm not trying to deflect Bernie was blackballed and that's wrong.
Does it concern you this leak came from Russia? Does it concern you this leak is designed from Putin to support your boy Trump?
 

trenchfoot

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Typical power politics at play. This exposure of emails is a mere sideshow of the one on the main stage. And that show, "The Clintons are Back in Town" is not going to break down it's tents and move out of town because more of their dirty laundry got run up the flag pole. If anything, this exposure of emails is anti-climactic in the overall scheme of things.

Compared with the other more scandalous episodes the Clintons have brought upon themselves, this one will fizzle out fairly quickly as Clinton has already been pre-anointed and Sanders has already blessed her with his support.

Given how the rails are already spiked in place, I'd say Shultz is going to be (have been?) thrown across those rails as a suitable sacrifice/payment for her complicity in this high stakes game of political back-stabbery.

Business as usual IMO.
 

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You don't feel bad for Sanders now that it's confirmed the DNC was trying to sabotage his campaign?

More importantly, how does it feel to vote for a rigged candidate? Would love to hear how you can reconcile that with a straight face.

Bernie knew what he was up against. He said he was running as a Dem so as not to split the progressive vote. It's not like the DNC stopped him from getting his message out or rigged the actual voting either.

Having lost decisively to Clinton he's supporting her *because he doesn't want to split the progressive vote*. His supporters who can tell the difference between shit & shinola will be with him in that no matter how hard you troll 'em.

The sacking of Wasserman-Shultz is obviously a solution acceptable to all factions & a way to put primary rancor behind us. Unlike Repubs, we'll emerge from the convention with our ducks in a huddle & a highly competent & well qualified candidate eager to win & actually tend to the business of governing.

I'll bet Trump can't even list the positions of the Cabinet.
 

Jimzz

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I voted Sanders in the primary but will be voting Gary Johnson for president. So the whole "People who voted Sanders will..." is not true. Many will vote 3rd party or not vote at all. Its like the Dems and Reps are putting up about the worse people they can to see what they can get past people.

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Bernie knew what he was up against. He said he was running as a Dem so as not to split the progressive vote. It's not like the DNC stopped him from getting his message out or rigged the actual voting either.

Having lost decisively to Clinton he's supporting her *because he doesn't want to split the progressive vote*. His supporters who can tell the difference between shit & shinola will be with him in that no matter how hard you troll 'em.

The sacking of Wasserman-Shultz is obviously a solution acceptable to all factions & a way to put primary rancor behind us. Unlike Repubs, we'll emerge from the convention with our ducks in a huddle & a highly competent & well qualified candidate eager to win & actually tend to the business of governing.

I'll bet Trump can't even list the positions of the Cabinet.

Yeah, not a rigged system. Just utter subversion of the media, the DNC platform, Bernie's campaign...etc.

That you can still justify this utter shitshow shows how much of a partisan hack you are.
 

HomerJS

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DWS should be fired for her responsibility in this.

One thing I note unlike Republicans who will deny even in the midst of facts, check out Donna Brazille's (Vice chair DNC) response to this on This Week. She personally went to Sanders and apologized. Admitted it happened and said someone will probably lose their job over it.

Compare that to the Melania plagiarism incident. GOP operatives spend way too much denying it happed before finally admitting.
 

theeedude

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Don't forget Trump's campaign manager was paid by Putin's crony to help put Yanokovich in power in Ukraine.
 

shady28

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Yeah, I'm sure the organization that leaked more than two million Syrian Gov't files, including 68000 which were written in Russian, is Russia's little darling.

https://wikileaks.org/syria-files/

Or this one, about jailing an opposition leader in Ukraine :

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tymoshenko-ukraine-medvedev-putin-russia-stratfor-wikileaks-305734



But at least we know where the GOP political "conspiracy" strategists who got run out by Trump went - straight to the DNC.
 

Knowing

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Interesting since Victoria Nudelman has been setting up for a conflict with Russia since her involvement in "fuck(ing) the EU" via the Ukraine while she was working for Hilary's state department.

Was Twitter censoring the #DNCleaks ever verified?
 

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Did somebody hold a gun to the head of the asshole who wrote the offending email? Do you think the proper way to get rid of Schultz was to sacrifice her to appease progressives. The problem politicians and partisans face is their lack of character.
 

JSt0rm

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Bernie supporters, why the fuck would you vote Clinton when there's now hard evidence that your own party sabotaged Bernie? What a dumpster fire. I feel bad for Bernie.


Because letting trump win would be worse?
 

Paratus

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Yeah, I'm sure the organization that leaked more than two million Syrian Gov't files, including 68000 which were written in Russian, is Russia's little darling.

https://wikileaks.org/syria-files/

Or this one, about jailing an opposition leader in Ukraine :

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tymoshenko-ukraine-medvedev-putin-russia-stratfor-wikileaks-305734


But at least we know where the GOP political "conspiracy" strategists who got run out by Trump went - straight to the DNC.

Wikileaks will publish any leak from anyone as far as I'm aware. They are for radical transparency. It doesn't matter who else they help as long as it supports thier transparency policy.

Did somebody hold a gun to the head of the asshole who wrote the offending email? Do you think the proper way to get rid of Schultz was to sacrifice her to appease progressives. The problem politicians and partisans face is their lack of character.

The poor behavior by the DNC chair isn't doesn't matter to the point I was making. If the allegations of Russia hacking the DNC email is true they were looking for something to directly interfere with out elections. If they had never written the emails about Bernie it would have been another set of emails.

It sounds like DWS is stepping down as she should.