DNA taken upon arrest ?

[Cogman]

Meh, they collect finger prints, how is DNA any different?
Oh Noos! They know what I'm made of!

 

[DrPizza]

A mouth swab is not enough to smear or plant anywhere. Take aq moiuth swab and then get the DNA pattern and that is all that is needed.


Damm you people need to check your foil hats, I think OJ sold you ones to tight.

What they're saying is that it would be easy to plant evidence. Wait outside a store for someone to toss a cigarette on the ground, carefully pick it up & save til later. Commit your crime. Drop cigarette at the scene; heck, even relight it if you want and allow it to smolder. Call anonymous tip line & state that you saw a suspicious looking guy near the scene of the crime & describe the guy who threw the butt on the ground.

 

[Modelworks]

Meh, they collect finger prints, how is DNA any different?
Oh Noos! They know what I'm made of!

Way different.
DNA can be used to determine your likelihood to get an illness. Suppose they determine the genes for mental illness. Someone with those genes tries to get work they get denied on the basis that they could develop an illness whether they have one currently or not. They determine the gene that makes some people more prone to anger or violence and also place them under suspicion because they have the potential to be violent, even if they are not now. They determine what makes a person better at some subjects than others and award scholarships or jobs based on that. You are more susceptible to gain weight than others and are prohibited from eating certain foods.

 

[Cogman]

Way different.

Not really

DNA can be used to determine your likelihood to get an illness.

True

Suppose they determine the genes for mental illness. Someone with those genes tries to get work they get denied on the basis that they could develop an illness whether they have one currently or not.

When was the last time an employer requested your medical records? When was the last time the police delivered finger prints to the hospital?

Before they can know if you have the illness, the hospital has to run their tests on it to know if it you are sick, and before the employer can know that he must get a copy of your medical records from the hospital. That's not too likely.

Hence my comment, so what?

They determine the gene that makes some people more prone to anger or violence and also place them under suspicion because they have the potential to be violent, even if they are not now.

And? They keep a record of criminals, even if they are out of jail. How is this any different?

They determine what makes a person better at some subjects than others and award scholarships or jobs based on that. You are more susceptible to gain weight than others and are prohibited from eating certain foods.

Again, how does anyone get this information. There are a couple of steps that have to happen, that can't happen. Schools aren't going to get copies of peoples medical records just because the police have someones DNA. When was the last time a scholarship checked a criminal record before they awarded their scholarship money?

There are HUGE leaps that have to happen before the doomsday scenario you are putting forth could happen, I just don't see that happening.

 

[Modelworks]

There are HUGE leaps that have to happen before the doomsday scenario you are putting forth could happen, I just don't see that happening.

Nobody ever does see it happening until it is too late. If they came out and said, we want DNA whether you commit a crime or not and we are going to use it for everything from criminal investigations to scholarships people would riot in the streets. It can't happen that way. If they take it now for arrests only , then in a few years, health care is having issues so they want to better identify health problems, so that gets tacked on , then a few years later if you want to be a patriotic citizen then you surely wouldn't object to linking financial and personal information to your id, I mean you have nothing to hide right ? The people doing this are probably not even thinking along those lines, but it will slowly lead to that.

It has happened with almost every thing we are guaranteed under the law. People object to something if you blatantly force it on them, but do it slow enough and it is like the frog+water experiment.

Anytime the gov proposes anything I try to look at the long term implication, not just what it will do right now.

They have a backlog of 500,000 + dna samples that need processing, over half are expected to be for crimes that are beyond the statute of limitations, yet they will be added to codis.

 

[Zebo]

Meh, they collect finger prints, how is DNA any different?
Oh Noos! They know what I'm made of!

Let me have some of your DNA. I'll show you. bye bye bubba love toy.