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Yax

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Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
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Voters rejected their nomination for 3 academy awards because of their views? Com'on people, what happened to freedom of speech? What do their political views have to do with how good they sing?

I can understand them gettting rejected from the award for "Being proud of Bush", but these awards have nothing to do with him.


Their freedom of speech held true; there were no legal reprecussions for what they said, and rightly so. However there is no protection from social reprecussions, and that's the price you pay. I agreed with them for what it is worth, but they should have known that publicly holding those views would make them unpopular in their sector.


That's the same excuse racist people use. "You're black and thats legal but you'll have social reprecussions from it." What's the difference here?


I personally have no problem with their views nor with their expression of them. Considering their audience, it wasnt the brightest move on their part. Where you argument breaks down though is that they can use discretion in where they speak, but you cannot choose when and where to be black.

They chose to state their opinion. Fine, that's not the best thing to do, but for people to say they're not good singers anymore because they don't agree with Bush? Since when did people start thinking that singing and Political views were the same thing?
 

Gage8

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Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
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Voters rejected their nomination for 3 academy awards because of their views? Com'on people, what happened to freedom of speech? What do their political views have to do with how good they sing?

I can understand them gettting rejected from the award for "Being proud of Bush", but these awards have nothing to do with him.


Their freedom of speech held true; there were no legal reprecussions for what they said, and rightly so. However there is no protection from social reprecussions, and that's the price you pay. I agreed with them for what it is worth, but they should have known that publicly holding those views would make them unpopular in their sector.


That's the same excuse racist people use. "You're black and thats legal but you'll have social reprecussions from it." What's the difference here?


I personally have no problem with their views nor with their expression of them. Considering their audience, it wasnt the brightest move on their part. Where you argument breaks down though is that they can use discretion in where they speak, but you cannot choose when and where to be black.

They chose to state their opinion. Fine, that's not the best thing to do, but for people to say they're not good singers anymore because they don't agree with Bush? Since when did people start thinking that singing and Political views were the same thing?


since the beginning of time...
 

Yax

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Originally posted by: BatmanNate
You did not reply to me, CheapBidder. Your comparisson was moot.

You said:

They said that they were embarassed that GW was from Texas.

What's there to reply to? That's what they said and it has nothing to do with their singing abilities does it?
 

BillyGoat

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these awards are based more on popularity then talent just like the charts- This being said, publicly speaking an opion that is nt the popular one will affect ones popularity :p
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: cheapbidder01 If you can see that, why can't you see that political views and singing are different as well?

Your point is moot, they were judged by their "fans" and their fans have spoken....celebs apply to different rules than everyday people do, heck look at the Oprah meat scare from the early 90s...in that case Oprah talked badly about red meat, so many of her followers listened to her words that the Meat industry suffered financial loss and even atempted to seek restitution because she used her power as a celebrity to influence people...this is along the same lines only in reverse...the Dixie Chicks decided to give their opinions on policy and political issues instead of focusing on what they are paid to do, which is be entertainers and singers...their lack of judgement and common sense allowed them to say something their fan base did not agree with..now because they are popular celebs everything they say is printed and people are aware of it and this can work for and against them....


HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION

Say lexus makes a great car, now say the owners/CEO of Lexus make a public statement announcing they think that all American buyers are the stupidest people they have ever known, America as a country sucks and they are disgusted that America is their largest market with re. sales.....do you think that Lexus sales would go on uneffected after saying that even though they make the "best" car?....

The Dixie chicks should have focused on their Job instead of trying to influence people with their political views IMHO
 

OulOat

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Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
You did not reply to me, CheapBidder. Your comparisson was moot.

You said:

They said that they were embarassed that GW was from Texas.

What's there to reply to? That's what they said and it has nothing to do with their singing abilities does it?

That's not the post he was refering to, you knew he meant the post that he replied to you.
 
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People have a right to vote against the Dixie Chicks based on their opinions, just like the Dixie Chicks have a right to express their opinions by speaking out against Bush. Like Billy Goat said, the awards are based more on popularity as opposed to real talent. The Dixie Chicks were as popular as ever before they spoke out - they certainly wouldn't have won based off their "talent"
 

GoingUp

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Originally posted by: Ulfwald
It's funny, when a artists voice thei opinion they are not supposed to feel reprecussions from it? People allowed them to excercise their freedom of speech, but in return the public excerised it's freedom of speech by expressing their disapproval of what the Ditsy Twits said by not buying records, voting against them.

Freedom of speech goes both ways. You can say what you want, but that does not mean I have to like it, or associate with you, or support what you say, I just have to support your right to say it.

Amen
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
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Voters rejected their nomination for 3 academy awards because of their views? Com'on people, what happened to freedom of speech? What do their political views have to do with how good they sing?

I can understand them gettting rejected from the award for "Being proud of Bush", but these awards have nothing to do with him.

Whatever happened to accountability, for accepting the consequences of your actions?

If I wanted to go naked, with magic marketed swastikas on myself, then go to Jerusalem and execute my freedom of speech by dictating the holocaust did not exist....don't I deserve an ass beating?

or better yet, don a white sheet, make up a nice colorful sign with racial epithets then go and tell Louis Farakhan how stupid he is....yes, I could expect an ass beating...

Dixie Chicks, Tim Robbins and Danny Glover can suck it....they chose to exercise their rights by spitting on everything that we stand for...corporations, businesses and their former fans have spoken by boycotting, protesting....

You reap what you sow
 

Yax

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Originally posted by: OulOat
Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
You did not reply to me, CheapBidder. Your comparisson was moot.

You said:

They said that they were embarassed that GW was from Texas.

What's there to reply to? That's what they said and it has nothing to do with their singing abilities does it?

That's not the post he was refering to, you knew he meant the post that he replied to you.

I see,
The comparison was simple.
1. Your political view is different from mine so I dislike everything about you.
2. Your skin color is different from mine so I dislike everything about you.

Same reasoning for both lines. What's so hard to understand?
 

jagr10

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A smart entertainer is one that keeps their mouth shut. Sure she's entitled to freedom of speech, but you also have to be smart about what to say and what not to say. She should have said something like "oh let's support the troops". Then people would be kissing their butts. YOu just have to be smart in certain situations.
 

FatJackSprat

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It's time that all entertainers learn that being an entertainer doesn't somehow provide the wisdom and understanding of world politics that they all seem to believe they have.

If your job description is entertainer, shutup and entertain when that's what you're being paid to do.

If nothing else, the people at that concert paid to hear those ladies sing and not to become enlightened about their political views (outside of any songs of concerned with that subject)
 

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If anyone's aiming to hurt album sales then you're not doing a very good job. Billboard's Country Charts

I guess they're getting what they deserve for opening their mouth huh?
rolleye.gif
 

djheater

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Originally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
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Voters rejected their nomination for 3 academy awards because of their views? Com'on people, what happened to freedom of speech? What do their political views have to do with how good they sing?

I can understand them gettting rejected from the award for "Being proud of Bush", but these awards have nothing to do with him.
You might want some hip waders if you're going to flog that horse. It's getting pretty ripe by now.


Yep, those against them will trot out the "Freedom of Speech, Freedom not to buy" high horse.

bleh.

They sucked as much before that statement as after.
 

Conky

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
LOL. Country music is a joke. Making money on 9/11 left and right, and then they boo Dixie Chicks for pissing on their parade.


Amazing post.
rolleye.gif
 

Amused

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It's wonderful to hear about all those citizens taking full advantage of their freedom of speech and freedom of association.
 

brxndxn

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Most people are idiots.

You can't ignore the sheer stupidity of the Dixie Chicks for saying something against Bush to fans of their Genre.. It's country music for Christ's sake! You think they voted for Al Gore? What kind of idiots are they? They have absolutely no clue about their fans. They displayed that wholeheartedly with their public opinions of Bush. They didn't merely state opinions either. They stated they were "ashamed that Bush is from Texas." That's like a two-front assault on Texans everwhere.

They deserve their backlash.

I mean.. look at Moby. Republicans are supposed to hate that liberal garbage maker who never knows the right way to put a long word into context. But, you never hear him saying that Bush is the greatest president who ever lived.. Why? because his audience is mostly those liberal-type people. He's not completely stupid.

The Dixie Chicks are just stupid.. like STOOPID stupid.

Why the hell should the Dixie Chicks get their free speach... Yet the entire record-buying public should be denied theirs?

The Dixie Chicks should be boo'd off stage and boo'd into oblivion for that. You can say sh!t like "We're ashamed Bush is from Texas" in front of a gay and lesbian alliance meeting.. You can't say that in front of a bunch of country music fans. That would be like saying "Bush is a great president!" in the middle of a rock concert in San Francisco!
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
link

Voters rejected their nomination for 3 academy awards because of their views? Com'on people, what happened to freedom of speech? What do their political views have to do with how good they sing?

I can understand them gettting rejected from the award for "Being proud of Bush", but these awards have nothing to do with him.


Their freedom of speech held true; there were no legal reprecussions for what they said, and rightly so. However there is no protection from social reprecussions, and that's the price you pay. I agreed with them for what it is worth, but they should have known that publicly holding those views would make them unpopular in their sector.


That's the same excuse racist people use. "You're black and thats legal but you'll have social reprecussions from it." What's the difference here?


I personally have no problem with their views nor with their expression of them. Considering their audience, it wasnt the brightest move on their part. Where you argument breaks down though is that they can use discretion in where they speak, but you cannot choose when and where to be black.

They chose to state their opinion. Fine, that's not the best thing to do, but for people to say they're not good singers anymore because they don't agree with Bush? Since when did people start thinking that singing and Political views were the same thing?


Whats wrong with a person not buying (which supports) a product if that person does not agree with the principals of the people who make the product.

I for one will never buy a CD by the dixie chicks for the sole reason of their political views. There also many other bands/singers that i will not buy for various reasons. Thats my freedom of choice.
 

Yax

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
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Voters rejected their nomination for 3 academy awards because of their views? Com'on people, what happened to freedom of speech? What do their political views have to do with how good they sing?

I can understand them gettting rejected from the award for "Being proud of Bush", but these awards have nothing to do with him.


Their freedom of speech held true; there were no legal reprecussions for what they said, and rightly so. However there is no protection from social reprecussions, and that's the price you pay. I agreed with them for what it is worth, but they should have known that publicly holding those views would make them unpopular in their sector.


That's the same excuse racist people use. "You're black and thats legal but you'll have social reprecussions from it." What's the difference here?


I personally have no problem with their views nor with their expression of them. Considering their audience, it wasnt the brightest move on their part. Where you argument breaks down though is that they can use discretion in where they speak, but you cannot choose when and where to be black.

They chose to state their opinion. Fine, that's not the best thing to do, but for people to say they're not good singers anymore because they don't agree with Bush? Since when did people start thinking that singing and Political views were the same thing?


Whats wrong with a person not buying (which supports) a product if that person does not agree with the principals of the people who make the product.

I for one will never buy a CD by the dixie chicks for the sole reason of their political views. There also many other bands/singers that i will not buy for various reasons. Thats my freedom of choice.

Well, I hope you stop listening to those stupid radio stations that play the Dixie Chicks too.
 

OutHouse

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i would but the radio stations around here have class and burned all the dixie chicks music. :D