Dividers

thesob40

Member
Jan 3, 2006
121
0
0
I need to know what i need to do to get my corsair xms2 1gig kit to be running at 4-4-4-12. I bought the kit that was supposed to run 4-4-4-12 but i did an 8% OC on my cpu using stock voltages and now my mem timing are running 5-5-5-18. I think i may need to use a divider but i have no clue on how to do this. Any tips, or links that may help would be great. I mean i paid an extra 30 bucks for 4-4-4-12 timings and its not even running at that.

specs in sig if needed
 

chusteczka

Diamond Member
Apr 12, 2006
3,399
3
71
Asus AM2 motherboard with 1000MHz FSB
AMD skt AM2 Athlon 5000+ at 2.6GHz
Corsair DDR2 1GB memory that should run at 4-4-4-12

Specifically, which memory is this?
Is this a single 1GB stick of RAM or is this 2 sticks of 512MB RAM?
Is this RAM rated at DDR2 675 or DDR2 800?
What is the model# ?
Can you provide a link to this specific model# in Newegg.com?

Recommended reading:
<more is on the way>
 

chusteczka

Diamond Member
Apr 12, 2006
3,399
3
71
Originally posted by: thesob40
edit- could i just go into bios and set all the timings back? or would that mess something up?

Thanks. Yes, you can make changes in the BIOS but careful with the changes you make. I have the ASUS A8N-E motherboard skt 939 and am writing up instructions that will show you which settings to change in the BIOS.
 

thesob40

Member
Jan 3, 2006
121
0
0
k...a8n-e is a great mobo...had that for about a year and a half before i bought my m2n-sli

there are settings in my bios like these
memory clock freq. [auto]
Tcl [auto]
Trcd [auto]
Trp [auto]
Tras [auto]
1T/2T memory Timing [auto]
DRAM ECC Enable [disabled]
 

chusteczka

Diamond Member
Apr 12, 2006
3,399
3
71
Asus AM2 motherboard with 1000MHz FSB
AMD skt AM2 Athlon 5000+ at 2.6GHz with a x13 multiplier
Corsair DDR2 800 1GB (2 x 512MB) memory that should run at 4-4-4-12, model# TWIN2X1024-6400C4

Recommended reading:


Reset the bios to the default settings.

BIOS Menu Options
Main .... Advanced .... Power .... Boot .... Exit

Advanced:
  • CPU Configuration
  • PCIPnP
  • Onboard Device Configuration
  • Jumperfree Configuration
  • LAN Cable Status
  • PEG Link Mode
CPU Configuration:
  • DRAM Configuration
  • Hypertransport Frequency
  • AMD K8 Cool 'n' Quiet Control
DRAM Configuration:
  • Timing Mode
  • Memclock index value (Mhz)
  • CAS# latency (Tcl)
  • Min RAS# active time (Tras)
  • RAS# to CAS# delay (Trcd)
  • Row precharge Time (Trp)
  • Row cycle time (Trc)
  • Row refresh cyc time (Trfc)
  • Read-to-Write time (Trast)
  • Write Recovery time (Twr)
  • 1T/2T Memory Timing
  • S/W DRAM Over 4G Remapping
  • H/W DRAM Over 4G Remapping
JumperFree Configuration:
  • Overclock Profile
  • Overclock Options
  • N.O.S. Option
  • CPU Frequency
  • PCI Express Clock
  • DDR Voltage
  • CPU Multiplier
  • CPU Voltage
  • PCI Clock Synchronization Mode


The processor communicates with the memory through a bus, called the HTT or FSB (bus). The default setting is 200MHz and this can be overclocked, in increments of 2-3MHz, up to 300 or 320MHz. Adjusting this bus speed on the motherboard affects the processor speed and the memory speed. The memory cannot be set as high as the processor can. Your DDR2 800 memory may need a ratio setting (divider) to operate at a slower speed than the processor and still allow the two to communicate with each other. I am not certain what the maximum MHz speed your memory can handle since I do not have an AM2 system with DDR2 memory. So I cannot properly recommend a maximum DDR2 setting with an appropriate divider. I will need to read more of the articles and related posts to figure this out.

The x13 multiplier of your cpu will not require a large adjustment in the bus speed. With only a small bus speed adjustment, it is possible the memory can operate at its 1:1 setting without the need for a divider.

Set your Hypertransport Frequency to (4x).

Your memory timings are 4-4-4-12, corresponding to CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS. Therefore, set the following settings.

DRAM Configuration:
  • Timing Mode [Manual]
  • Memclock index value (Mhz) [400] (I believe 400MHz is the appropriate setting for DDR2 memory but I am not certain. For DDR 400 memory, the 400MHz is appropriate. Your settings may be different from mine here.)
  • CAS# latency (Tcl) [4]
  • Min RAS# active time (Tras) [12]
  • RAS# to CAS# delay (Trcd) [4]
  • Row precharge Time (Trp) [4]
  • Row cycle time (Trc)
  • Row refresh cyc time (Trfc)
  • Read-to-Write time (Trast)
  • Write Recovery time (Twr)
  • 1T/2T Memory Timing [1T] is probably best
  • S/W DRAM Over 4G Remapping
  • H/W DRAM Over 4G Remapping
JumperFree Configuration:
  • Overclock Profile [Manual]
  • Overclock Options
  • N.O.S. Option
  • CPU Frequency [200, 202, 204, 206, ...]
  • PCI Express Clock
  • DDR Voltage
  • CPU Multiplier [x13]
  • CPU Voltage
  • PCI Clock Synchronization Mode

Adjust the CPU Frequency up in 2 or 3 MHz increments. After each setting increase, reboot the system and check for stability. Depending on how you check stability, this part can take an hour to a week of time.
 

chusteczka

Diamond Member
Apr 12, 2006
3,399
3
71
Yes, but I am not certain of the key piece of information, your memory divider settings. What is the default setting for:

DRAM Configuration
  • Memclock index value (Mhz)
Whatever the default setting for this is, should be a 1:1 divider setting. Therefore, no divider would be set. I do not think you need to set a divider (change this value to a smaller value) since you have a larger CPU multiplier of x13.
 

thesob40

Member
Jan 3, 2006
121
0
0
okay i set all of that and its working fine...so i guess all i need to do now is increase the cpu freq. since my 8% oc is gone and im running at stock...but one question...if i keep going higher and higher with teh cpu freq. with the timings reset?
 

chusteczka

Diamond Member
Apr 12, 2006
3,399
3
71
Originally posted by: thesob40
...but one question...if i keep going higher and higher with teh cpu freq. with the timings reset?

With settings set to Manual, the memory timings should not reset on their own.
 

chusteczka

Diamond Member
Apr 12, 2006
3,399
3
71
I believe you can reach a CPU bus frequency of 220MHz, or maybe even 225MHz, with your memory without the need for a divider.

220MHz x 13 = 2860MHz anyways and that is a very good overclock. Due to this, I do not think you will need to lower your memory divider setting from 800MHz down to 666MHz.

I believe this is what your DDR2 memory has.
1:1 memory divider = 800 * 1/1 = 800 MHz
5:6 memory divider = 800 * 5/6 = 666 MHz
 

thesob40

Member
Jan 3, 2006
121
0
0
lol just one more quick question...i planned on buying a corsair xms2 2x1gb kit later in teh month...will i have to change the timings when i place these in? or can i just throw them in and have no problems at all.
 

chusteczka

Diamond Member
Apr 12, 2006
3,399
3
71
Originally posted by: thesob40
lol just one more quick question...i planned on buying a corsair xms2 2x1gb kit later in teh month...will i have to change the timings when i place these in? or can i just throw them in and have no problems at all.

You may have to change the timings to the timings for the new set of memory. A 512MB stick of RAM has faster timings than a 1024MB stick of RAM. This is due to a larger amount of data that needs to be indexed and subsequently searched through for each memory access. It should not be a problem to change the RAM settings again.
 

thesob40

Member
Jan 3, 2006
121
0
0
219MHz and above causes failed boots and random shutdowns...leaving it at 217MHz to be on the safe side.
 

chusteczka

Diamond Member
Apr 12, 2006
3,399
3
71
Originally posted by: thesob40
219MHz and above causes failed boots and random shutdowns...leaving it at 217MHz to be on the safe side.

You may need to drop it down even further if you continue to see random errors. I think 215 would be safe, 217 is risky.

217 x 13 = 2821MHz = 2.8GHz

That is a respectable overclock for an AMD processor. If you wanted to go higher, then you would need to drop the divider down to 5:6, or 666 : 800 MHz.

DRAM Configuration
  • Memclock index value (Mhz) [666]

I am happy to see it is working for you. Good job.