Disturbing Reality? How Police Treat Black Man vs. White Man With Open Carry Law!

[Darwin333]

As far as people are concerned, the AR15 is a machine gun because it exists in a fully automatic configuration too. In fact, the full version of the white guy's encounter has the cop pulling showing off his fully automatic AR15 machine gun.

Note: I am not a gun person so I may be wrong in equating fully automatic guns with "machine guns."

The AR-15 is a civilian variant of a military gun. Yes, it can be made to be fully auto and even a few come in full auto variants and yes civilians can own fully automatic weapons. All that said, automatic weapons are ridiculously expensive and require a metric fuckton of ATF paperwork along with a rather large fee to the ATF for every transfer. We are talking $20,000 or so for a single gun, give or take. The type of person who can spend that kind of money on a gun is almost always a collector of some sort and would never put that expensive as weapon in a position to have some cop throw it on the road or some shit like that.

I'm not sure what the relevance of an employee of the state having a fully automatic weapon has? Furthermore, if the employee of the state would have been walking around in his state provided uniform with his state provided badge with his state provided fully automatic weapon I highly doubt anyone would have intervened, especially not to the level shown in the video. More likely the other state employees would have gave him a high-five or a handshake, bitched about their wives for a minute and carried on about their days.

 

[CZroe]

The AR-15 is a civilian variant of a military gun. Yes, it can be made to be fully auto and even a few come in full auto variants and yes civilians can own fully automatic weapons. All that said, automatic weapons are ridiculously expensive and require a metric fuckton of ATF paperwork along with a rather large fee to the ATF for every transfer. We are talking $20,000 or so for a single gun, give or take. The type of person who can spend that kind of money on a gun is almost always a collector of some sort and would never put that expensive as weapon in a position to have some cop throw it on the road or some shit like that.

I'm not sure what the relevance of an employee of the state having a fully automatic weapon has? Furthermore, if the employee of the state would have been walking around in his state provided uniform with his state provided badge with his state provided fully automatic weapon I highly doubt anyone would have intervened, especially not to the level shown in the video. More likely the other state employees would have gave him a high-five or a handshake, bitched about their wives for a minute and carried on about their days.

You said you wanted to see someone open-carrying a machine gun. I pointed out that you basically have because the weapon he had in that video is indistinguishable from a particular machine gun, even if it was a semi-automatic variant. I pointed out that the cop had a fully-automatic version of the same weapon in the car to show just how possible encountering that version is (it happened in the very video we are discussing). Got it?

 

[shortylickens]

Wow, that's a pretty comprehensive list of a-holes whom I do NOT want to people please. Why is it that we should pander to these pearl-clutchers?

its not pandering. Its attention from assholes that you DONT WANT.

The point of carrying a gun is to avoid being a victim. It is NOT to compensate for any doubts about your penis size.
Making yourself a target INCREASES the likelihood of an altercation. If thats your attitude you should not be allowed to have a gun.

 

[HumblePie]

You said you wanted to see someone open-carrying a machine gun. I pointed out that you basically have because the weapon he had in that video is indistinguishable from a particular machine gun, even if it was a semi-automatic variant. I pointed out that the cop had a fully-automatic version of the same weapon in the car to show just how possible encountering that version is (it happened in the very video we are discussing). Got it?

UGHGHHGHGH

Machine gun simply means a fully automatic only firearm. Hence the machine is doing all the work for the operator. No need to manually reload after every shot or even pull the trigger for every shot.

Semi-automatic guns are guns that reload automatically for you after every shot, hence the automatic part, but don't continually fire for you. Hence the semi part.


Machine gun does not mean military only. All though most popular looking machine guns ARE military styled.

One can convert any semi-automatic gun into a fully automatic gun with some modifications to the gun. This makes any gun a potential machine gun. Thus by your definition makes any gun indistinguishable to the person looking at it from a fully automatic machine gun or not one.

However, the difference is that it is a huge crime to convert a semi automatic fire arm to a fully automatic firearm in the US by a civilian.

Here is an easy to read site with some pictures for info for you.

http://www.assaultweapon.info/

 

[CZroe]

UGHGHHGHGH

Machine gun simply means a fully automatic only firearm. Hence the machine is doing all the work for the operator. No need to manually reload after every shot or even pull the trigger for every shot.

Semi-automatic guns are guns that reload automatically for you after every shot, hence the automatic part, but don't continually fire for you. Hence the semi part.


Machine gun does not mean military only. All though most popular looking machine guns ARE military styled.

One can convert any semi-automatic gun into a fully automatic gun with some modifications to the gun. This makes any gun a potential machine gun. Thus by your definition makes any gun indistinguishable to the person looking at it from a fully automatic machine gun or not one.

However, the difference is that it is a huge crime to convert a semi automatic fire arm to a fully automatic firearm in the US by a civilian.

Here is an easy to read site with some pictures for info for you.

http://www.assaultweapon.info/

*WOOSH*

He said he wanted to SEE it. I said he essentially DID "see" that because there was no way to tell the difference VISUALLY during the initial encounter. In other words, there would have been no difference in the encounter unless the officer could tell that it was modified. With no legal authority to demand it, he later inspected it, but something tells me his interest is mostly in the initial encounter. Even then: How difficult would it be to identify it as fully or semi-auto from such an encounter without firing it or taking it apart? That is where things would have deviated anyway because he was not legally compelled to let the officer inspect it and, likely, wouldn't have.

Thanks for defining exactly what I already thought I knew and stated. I know and already knew exactly what semi-automatic and fully-automatic means. My statement of reduced confidence in my understanding was only in case I was unaware of some pedantic difference where "machine gun" wasn't appropriate in reference to that particular weapon. OBVIOUSLY, I assumed it was, because my entire point revolved around it, so I was right about that too.

 

[HumblePie]

*WOOSH*

He said he wanted to SEE it. I said he essentially DID "see" that because there was no way to tell the difference VISUALLY during the initial encounter. In other words, there would have been no difference in the encounter unless the officer could tell that it was modified. With no legal authority to demand it, he later inspected it, but something tells me his interest is mostly in the initial encounter. Even then: How difficult would it be to identify it as fully or semi-auto from such an encounter without firing it or taking it apart? That is where things would have deviated anyway because he was not legally compelled to let the officer inspect it and, likely, wouldn't have.

Thanks for defining exactly what I already thought I knew and stated. I know and already knew exactly what semi-automatic and fully-automatic means. My statement of reduced confidence in my understanding was only in case I was unaware of some pedantic difference where "machine gun" wasn't appropriate in reference to that particular weapon. OBVIOUSLY, I assumed it was, because my entire point revolved around it, so I was right about that too.

Ugh,

fully automatic guns in the hands of civilians is going to be almost as rare as seeing fucking unicorn. They do exist, but the costs are outlandish for normal civilians to even own one. To make the assumption of a gun being openly carried by a civilian as a fully automatic weapon is the most illogical assumption one could make in that scenario.

 

[CZroe]

Ugh,

fully automatic guns in the hands of civilians is going to be almost as rare as seeing fucking unicorn. They do exist, but the costs are outlandish for normal civilians to even own one. To make the assumption of a gun being openly carried by a civilian as a fully automatic weapon is the most illogical assumption one could make in that scenario.

Exactly, which is why the encounter would have gone the exact same way at first. It is indistinguishable without inspecting it or seeing it operate so the officer would assume that it is not a fully automatic weapon. His wish is anticlimactic, which was my point.


Urgle gurgle urgh ugh.

 

[Darwin333]

*WOOSH*

He said he wanted to SEE it. I said he essentially DID "see" that because there was no way to tell the difference VISUALLY during the initial encounter. In other words, there would have been no difference in the encounter unless the officer could tell that it was modified. With no legal authority to demand it, he later inspected it, but something tells me his interest is mostly in the initial encounter. Even then: How difficult would it be to identify it as fully or semi-auto from such an encounter without firing it or taking it apart? That is where things would have deviated anyway because he was not legally compelled to let the officer inspect it and, likely, wouldn't have.

Wait, so I just saw a guy open carrying a machine gun because what he was carrying, to people who know dickall about guns of which I am not, sorta kinda looks like a machine gun? Then you introduced another argument about a cop who wasn't open carrying a long arm at all but later pulled one out of his car as proof of all these supposed people open carrying machine guns. I'm not the one confused, you are.

Thanks for defining exactly what I already thought I knew and stated. I know and already knew exactly what semi-automatic and fully-automatic means. My statement of reduced confidence in my understanding was only in case I was unaware of some pedantic difference where "machine gun" wasn't appropriate in reference to that particular weapon. OBVIOUSLY, I assumed it was, because my entire point revolved around it, so I was right about that too.

That's because you obviously know dickall about firearms. It's not very difficult to tell if most guns came from the manufacturer as a "machine gun", assault rifle or a semi-automatic variant especially when talking about AR-15s. Illegal modifications are a different story altogether but you didn't imply anything like that and as stated they carry a seriously harsh penalty.

 

[CZroe]

Wait, so I just saw a guy open carrying a machine gun because what he was carrying, to people who know dickall about guns of which I am not, sorta kinda looks like a machine gun?

It looks like a machine gun because it is an AR15 and the AR15 is also *gasp* configured/sold as a fully-automatic machine gun! Whether you know "dickall" or literally all there is to know, it looks like a machine gun because it is the same gun as a machine gun... configured slightly different internally. Many other machine guns are also restricted and sold as semi-autos. It would be difficult to find a model that is obviously a machine gun unless fired. You could cart around a chain gun on a fixed platform. Is that the reaction video you want?

Then you introduced another argument about a cop who wasn't open carrying a long arm at all but later pulled one out of his car as proof of all these supposed people open carrying machine guns. I'm not the one confused, you are.

Not confused at all. I didn't introduce another argument. I pointed out that the video in the OP was truncated and that in the full version of THE VERY SAME VIDEO the cop pulls out a fully-automatic AR15. The semi-auto that the civilians were carrying in those two videos were also AR15 guns. The point was that the same gun was available in both configurations and that they look the same and that they are common enough to both exist right there in the same place and time. I'm not confused in any way.

That's because you obviously know dickall about firearms. It's not very difficult to tell if most guns came from the manufacturer as a "machine gun", assault rifle or a semi-automatic variant especially when talking about AR-15s. Illegal modifications are a different story altogether but you didn't imply anything like that and as stated they carry a seriously harsh penalty.

WTF are you talking about?! YOU are the one who said what you wanted to see and now you are behaving as if I was dictating the terms that would satisfy you ("illegal modifications"). The "harsh penalty" isn't what you cared about. Their initial reaction to a person carrying a machine gun is what you cared about. Almost the only way they could have known if an AR15 is a machine gun or not without inspecting it is to see it in operation, so their reaction would be the same to someone simply carrying it around.