I don't think I've ever called anyone on P&N a shill, I certainly would remember if I called you a shill two weeks ago.Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Explain to me how Obama is being "switfboated"? He is quoted as saying that this scumbag preacher is his "moral compass" and that he has been a loyal member of this intolerant "church" for over 20 years, where he got married and had his kids baptized. To sit here and think that constitutes swiftboating greatly reduces the heroism of Kerry and has NOTHING to do with this situation.Originally posted by: Rainsford
You know what I like about being a Democrat? When we run into the walls, we do it at full speed. I think Obama is being Swiftboated with this minister story, which was pretty inevitable, but for better or worse, we've got at least one real candidate in this race. Whatever Obama's flaws, he's a guy with some good ideas and a pretty positive outlook on what we can do as a country. He might not be the perfect candidate, he might not be the candidate most likely to win...but he might be the RIGHT person to lead this country.Originally posted by: RY62
You can try to twist what I say and divert from the topic at hand if you want. I've had my rant and the fact remains...Obama is the loser. The average American voters will never go for this shit. He and his followers can try to spin it any way they want but the truth is out and it's not going away.
The Democratic party seems to enjoy being the losers. Democrats should have had an absolute lock on this election but had to blow it by pushing an unknown, inexperienced, far left candidate and dividing ourselves. After being divided, we find out that the leading candidate is now un-electable. McCain is starting to look better every day. With this crap hanging on Obama and a divided Dem party, McCain should have no problem in November.
One thing I've never liked about the Republican party as a whole is that they're too good at politics. Watching them square off against the Democrats is sometimes like watching the Dallas Cowboys play against some fraternity Ultimate Frisbee team. Look at McCain, he's like a candidate designed by committee...everybody puts in a good political trait and he turns into absolutely nothing at all. That may work to win the election, but that's horse race crap...and shame on us for thinking that's the same thing as picking a good person to lead this country. We're not Obama's campaign managers, why are we talking about electability? We should be asking whether or not we think the candidate in question is a good person to lead the country. If so, we vote for 'em...if not, we don't.
Two weeks ago you called me a Republican "shill" for thinking this was an important issue, does your use of the word "swiftboating" still imply that you think that this issue says nothing about Obama or the people he has associated with? Or does this make him a "real candidate"? Let me tell you most Americans will not be tolerant of a "real" candidate that has a "moral compass" that is nothing but immoral in his beliefs. More like swerving in to a wall full speed when the finish line is right in front of you.
He's being swiftboated in the sense that people are taking an event and trying their hardest to turn it into an issue because it's good politics for them. I don't like what the minister said, but I'm not voting for HIM for President, and I don't to believe Obama is somehow controlled by this guy any more than I think he's a closet Muslim. There have been NO indications that Obama is a racist or a black supremacist, quite the opposite, but nobody ever went broke in politics playing the racism against white people card, so various folks are running around like crazy trying to tie Obama and his minister together like we're voting for the minister for President.
It's cheap politics, mostly because there's nothing there but innuendo...and in that respect this attack very much resembles the Swift Boat attacks on John Kerry in 2004. And what's worse, everybody KNOWS it's just good political gamesmanship, but nobody wants to be the first to say it. Sure, Obama said something stupid considering what this minister has been saying...but does anyone honestly believe that Obama is a closet racist? Or is this just political folks jumping on any small crack in a candidate's armor like a pack of starving hyenas?
That's my problem with all of this, it's not a great debate...it's dirty pool. It's waiting around for a political gaffe and then jumping all over it because that's how you win the game. I don't think Obama is an amoral racist, and neither do you...and neither do any of the people attacking him for what his minister said. Some folks just recognize a political opportunity when they see one and go for it. And it's the same folks who were jumping up and down on Obama being some sort of closet Muslim extremist, and it's no doubt the same group of people who will jump up and down on the next thing to come along. Which is fine...if you're Hillary or McCain's campaign manager, but I don't like how politicians have managed to rope the rest of us into doing their dirty work for them.
We're supposed to honestly think about the candidates and the issues and decide who we think the best choice is. If people see Obama's minister and honestly think that means Obama is a racist, then I can respect that, even if I disagree. But that's not what's happening here...at all.