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Disturbing Article about Obama and his minister

Bumrush99

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Background info on Obama and his wonderful pastor

I have not posted here in a while but this article really disturbs me. I know the source is shady, and if anyone can refute the quoted material (not the commentary but the quotes attributed to characters involved) please do so. The circle of friends that this presidential candidate associates with SAYS A LOT about how he is as a person, and that includes his ANGRY racist wife that seems to hate America. Is this really the person we think can lead this country?
I'd take a true patriot like McCain who isn't afraid to work in a bipartisan manner and has proven it over the years than the shallow rhetoric of Obama.

For those to lazy to click the link:

Barack Obama?s longtime minister, mentor, and sounding board has been a key supporter of Louis Farrakhan and last month honored the Nation of Islam leader for lifetime achievement.

Farrakhan has repeatedly made hate-filled statements targeting Jews, whites, America, and homosexuals. He has called whites ?blue-eyed devils? and the ?anti-Christ.? He has described Jews as ?bloodsuckers? who control the government, the media, and some black organizations.

?Do you know some of these satanic Jews have taken over BET [the Black Entertainment Network]?? Farrakhan said in a speech on Nov. 11, 2007. ?Everything that we built, they have. The mind of Satan now is running the record industry, movie industry, and television. And they make us look like we?re the murderers; we look like we?re the gangsters, but we?re punk stuff.?

The month after that speech, Obama?s minister and friend, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. and his Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, honored Farrakhan at a gala, bestowing on him its Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer award.

Obama has said he found religion through Wright in the 1980s and consulted him before deciding to run for president. He prayed privately with Wright before announcing his candidacy last year.

In the November/December issue of his church?s magazine, Trumpet, Wright heaped praise on Farrakhan, whom he helped in organizing the Million Man March in Washington in 1995. Wright lauded Farrakhan as one of the giants of the African-American religious experience in the 20th and 21st centuries.

?When Minister Farrakhan speaks, black America listens,? Wright said. ?His depth on analysis [sic] when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye-opening. He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest.?

Hailing Farrakhan?s ?integrity and honesty,? Wright said, ?His love for Africa and African-American people has made him an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change, and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose.?

A video quoting some of Wright?s opprobriums ran at the gala at the Hyatt Regency Chicago and appears on YouTube. However, while the mainstream media have hammered Mitt Romney over his religion, they have ignored or else downplayed Obama?s ties to Wright. No stories have appeared on Wright?s award to Farrakhan in December.

Wright?s church occupies a brick building at 400 West 95th Street near a public housing project and railroad tracks. Since becoming pastor in 1972, Wright has seen the church?s membership grow from 80 to more than 8,500. The church is the largest congregation in the United Church of Christ, a predominantly white denomination known for its liberal politics. Obama?s church runs an outreach program to attract gay and lesbian singles.

Born in Hawaii, Obama is the son of a white Christian mother from Kansas and a Kenyan father who was a Muslim but was not religious. From age 6 to 10, Obama lived in Indonesia, where he went to a Catholic school. For a year, he went to a public school where he attended Islamic religion classes.

Obama says he found religion and Jesus Christ through Wright, whom he met in the mid-1980s. Obama has been attending Wright?s church regularly since 1988. Wright warned Obama that getting involved with Trinity, with its radical reputation, might turn off other black clergy. But in 1991, Obama joined the church and walked down the aisle in a formal commitment of faith. Wright later married Obama and Michelle Robinson and baptized their two daughters.

The title of Obama?s bestseller ?The Audacity of Hope? comes from one of Wright?s sermons. Wright is one of the first people Obama thanked after his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004.

For a Jan. 21, 2007 story in the Chicago Tribune, Obama said that Wright keeps his priorities straight and his moral compass calibrated.

?What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice,? Obama told the paper. ?He?s much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking truthfully about what I believe is possible and that I?m not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that?s involved in national politics.?

However, Obama has said that in the fall of 2006, he broached the subject of a run for the presidency with Wright, who encouraged him to go ahead.

As noted in a Jan. 7 Newsmax article, ?Barack Obama?s Racist Church,? in sermons and interviews, Wright has equated Zionism with racism and has compared Israel with South Africa under its previous policy of apartheid. On the Sunday following 9/11, Wright characterized the terrorist attacks as a consequence of violent American policies. Four years later, Wright suggested that the attacks were retribution for America?s racism.

?In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,? Wright wrote in Trumpet. ?White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ?disappeared? as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.?

In one of his sermons, Wright said to thumping applause, ?Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run! ...We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.?

In an op-ed in the Philadelphia Tribune, Wright said that war is about ?making the world safe? for American business interests. ?When one goes against the war, one tampers with the financial institutions and the financial system that was put in place by the Founding Fathers of this country to keep the rich, rich!? he said. ?The rich can only stay rich by keeping the poor, poor.?

As for Israel, ?The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now,? Wright has said. ?Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism.?

Those views run parallel to Farrakhan?s, who said in an interview this month with FinalCall.com that there will be ?no peace for Israel, because there can be no peace as long as that peace is based on lying, stealing, murder, and using God?s name to shield a wicked, unjust practice that is not in harmony with the will of God.?

Just before Obama?s nationally televised campaign kickoff rally last Feb. 10, the candidate disinvited Wright from giving the public invocation. Wright explained: ?When [Obama?s] enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli? to visit Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, ?a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell.?

According to Wright, Obama then told him, ?'You can get kind of rough in the sermons, so what we?ve decided is that it?s best for you not to be out there in public.? Wright is retiring as senior pastor of the church in May. He asked his successor, Otis Moss III, to speak instead, but he declined. However, Obama and his family prayed privately with Wright just before the presidential announcement.

The media blackout on Obama?s radical minister is in striking contrast to the coverage of Romney. Nearly half the references to Romney in the media include a discussion of his membership in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

If Romney?s church proclaimed on its Web site that it is ?unashamedly white,? the media would pounce, and Romney?s presidential candidacy would be over. Yet that is what Obama?s church says on its web site -- except in reverse.

?We are a congregation which is unashamedly black and unapologetically Christian,? says the Trinity United Church of Christ?s Web site. ?We are an African people and remain true to our native land, the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.?

Moreover, the church has a ?non-negotiable commitment to Africa,? according to its Web site, and the church and its pastor subscribe to what is called the Black Value System.

While the Black Value System encourages commitment to God, education, and self-discipline, it refers to ?our racist competitive society? and includes the disavowal of the pursuit of ?middle-classness? and a pledge of allegiance to ?all black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System.? It defines ?middle-classness? as a way for American society to ?snare? blacks rather than ?killing them off directly? or ?placing them in concentration camps,? just as the country structures ?an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.?

In two exceptions to the media blackout, Tucker Carlson of MSNBC described Trinity as having a ?racially exclusive theology? that ?contradicts the basic tenets of Christianity.? Sean Hannity of Fox News confronted Wright on TV and asked how a black value system is any more acceptable than a white value system.

If a white presidential candidate?s church had a similar statement and ?you substitute the word black for white, there would be an outrage in this country,? Hannity said. ?There would be cries of racism in this country.'?

In response, Wright repeatedly asked Hannity how many books he had read by James Cone and others about black liberation theology. Cone, who is widely admired at Wright?s church, was quoted in the May 29, 2007, issue of The Christian Century as saying, ?Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man ?the devil.?... Any advice from whites to blacks on how to deal with white oppression is automatically under suspicion as a clever device to further enslavement.?

On a few points, Obama has sought to distance himself from Wright?s teachings or to explain them away. While Wright is his pastor and friend, Obama has said, they do not see eye to eye on everything. Without addressing Wright?s denunciations of Israel and Zionism as racist, Obama has said he ?strongly disagrees with any portrayal of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that advocates divestment from Israel or expresses anything less than strong support for Israel?s security.?

As for Wright?s repeated comments blaming America for the 9/11 attacks, Obama has said it sounds as if the minister was trying to be ?provocative.?

But Obama?s close association with Wright over more than two decades and the minister?s close ties to Farrakhan cannot be explained away so cavalierly. If Obama rejects Wright?s warped view of this country, why does he continue to attend his church? If Obama disagrees with Farrakhan and his anti-Semitic and anti-white statements, why doesn?t he denounce him rather than continue to associate with a minister and friend who is one of his advocates and who gave him an award for lifetime achievement? Does Obama secretly agree with some of their hate-filled, radical statements while publicly avoiding race-specific appeals as part of his candidacy?

That comports with Obama?s habit of not showing up for controversial votes or tackling tough policy issues, allowing him to broaden his appeal through charisma alone. Farrakhan himself recently spoke approvingly of Obama?s strategy, which is crucial to inviting whites to support him.

?Barack Obama has been very careful not to position himself as Rev. Jesse Jackson or Rev. Al Sharpton as a promoter of ?The Black Cause,?? Farrakhan said in the interview with FinalCall.com. ?He has been groomed, wisely so, to be seen more as a unifier, rather than one who speaks only for the hurt of black people.?

At the least, Obama?s membership in Wright?s church and close ties to Wright himself suggest a lack of judgment and an insensitivity to views that are repugnant to the vast majority of white Americans who are not bigots or anti-Semites.

That same lack of judgment has shown up in Obama?s gaffes -- threatening to invade Pakistan and offering prompt negotiations with anti-American despots. More frightening, Obama voted last August to give Osama bin Laden and other terrorists the same rights as Americans when it comes to intercepting their overseas calls in order to pick up clues needed to stop another attack.

To evaluate what Obama?s ties to Wright mean, picture America?s reaction if President Bush?s minister, mentor, and moral compass had the views of Wright and was an admirer and supporter of Farrakhan.

?He that lies down with dogs, shall rise up with fleas,? Benjamin Franklin said.

Obama may be a gifted orator, but his choice of a friend and advisor suggests he is masquerading as a moderate. While the liberal media have already decided Obama will be our next president, Americans may have a different view when they consider what his ties to Wright tell us about the presidential candidate?s true opinions and character.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Background info on Obama and his wonderful pastor

I have not posted here in a while but this article really disturbs me. I know the source is shady, and if anyone can refute the quoted material (not the commentary but the quotes attributed to characters involved) please do so. The circle of friends that this presidential candidate associates with SAYS A LOT about how he is as a person, and that includes his ANGRY racist wife that seems to hate America. Is this really the person we think can lead this country?
I'd take a true patriot like McCain who isn't afraid to work in a bipartisan manner and has proven it over the years than the shallow rhetoric of Obama.

For those to lazy to click the link:

Barack Obama?s longtime minister, mentor, and sounding board has been a key supporter of Louis Farrakhan and last month honored the Nation of Islam leader for lifetime achievement.

Farrakhan has repeatedly made hate-filled statements targeting Jews, whites, America, and homosexuals. He has called whites ?blue-eyed devils? and the ?anti-Christ.? He has described Jews as ?bloodsuckers? who control the government, the media, and some black organizations.

?Do you know some of these satanic Jews have taken over BET [the Black Entertainment Network]?? Farrakhan said in a speech on Nov. 11, 2007. ?Everything that we built, they have. The mind of Satan now is running the record industry, movie industry, and television. And they make us look like we?re the murderers; we look like we?re the gangsters, but we?re punk stuff.?

The month after that speech, Obama?s minister and friend, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. and his Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, honored Farrakhan at a gala, bestowing on him its Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer award.

Obama has said he found religion through Wright in the 1980s and consulted him before deciding to run for president. He prayed privately with Wright before announcing his candidacy last year.

In the November/December issue of his church?s magazine, Trumpet, Wright heaped praise on Farrakhan, whom he helped in organizing the Million Man March in Washington in 1995. Wright lauded Farrakhan as one of the giants of the African-American religious experience in the 20th and 21st centuries.

?When Minister Farrakhan speaks, black America listens,? Wright said. ?His depth on analysis [sic] when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye-opening. He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest.?

Hailing Farrakhan?s ?integrity and honesty,? Wright said, ?His love for Africa and African-American people has made him an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change, and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose.?

A video quoting some of Wright?s opprobriums ran at the gala at the Hyatt Regency Chicago and appears on YouTube. However, while the mainstream media have hammered Mitt Romney over his religion, they have ignored or else downplayed Obama?s ties to Wright. No stories have appeared on Wright?s award to Farrakhan in December.

Wright?s church occupies a brick building at 400 West 95th Street near a public housing project and railroad tracks. Since becoming pastor in 1972, Wright has seen the church?s membership grow from 80 to more than 8,500. The church is the largest congregation in the United Church of Christ, a predominantly white denomination known for its liberal politics. Obama?s church runs an outreach program to attract gay and lesbian singles.

Born in Hawaii, Obama is the son of a white Christian mother from Kansas and a Kenyan father who was a Muslim but was not religious. From age 6 to 10, Obama lived in Indonesia, where he went to a Catholic school. For a year, he went to a public school where he attended Islamic religion classes.

Obama says he found religion and Jesus Christ through Wright, whom he met in the mid-1980s. Obama has been attending Wright?s church regularly since 1988. Wright warned Obama that getting involved with Trinity, with its radical reputation, might turn off other black clergy. But in 1991, Obama joined the church and walked down the aisle in a formal commitment of faith. Wright later married Obama and Michelle Robinson and baptized their two daughters.

The title of Obama?s bestseller ?The Audacity of Hope? comes from one of Wright?s sermons. Wright is one of the first people Obama thanked after his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004.

For a Jan. 21, 2007 story in the Chicago Tribune, Obama said that Wright keeps his priorities straight and his moral compass calibrated.

?What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice,? Obama told the paper. ?He?s much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking truthfully about what I believe is possible and that I?m not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that?s involved in national politics.?

However, Obama has said that in the fall of 2006, he broached the subject of a run for the presidency with Wright, who encouraged him to go ahead.

As noted in a Jan. 7 Newsmax article, ?Barack Obama?s Racist Church,? in sermons and interviews, Wright has equated Zionism with racism and has compared Israel with South Africa under its previous policy of apartheid. On the Sunday following 9/11, Wright characterized the terrorist attacks as a consequence of violent American policies. Four years later, Wright suggested that the attacks were retribution for America?s racism.

?In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,? Wright wrote in Trumpet. ?White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ?disappeared? as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.?

In one of his sermons, Wright said to thumping applause, ?Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run! ...We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.?

In an op-ed in the Philadelphia Tribune, Wright said that war is about ?making the world safe? for American business interests. ?When one goes against the war, one tampers with the financial institutions and the financial system that was put in place by the Founding Fathers of this country to keep the rich, rich!? he said. ?The rich can only stay rich by keeping the poor, poor.?

As for Israel, ?The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now,? Wright has said. ?Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism.?

Those views run parallel to Farrakhan?s, who said in an interview this month with FinalCall.com that there will be ?no peace for Israel, because there can be no peace as long as that peace is based on lying, stealing, murder, and using God?s name to shield a wicked, unjust practice that is not in harmony with the will of God.?

Just before Obama?s nationally televised campaign kickoff rally last Feb. 10, the candidate disinvited Wright from giving the public invocation. Wright explained: ?When [Obama?s] enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli? to visit Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, ?a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell.?

According to Wright, Obama then told him, ?'You can get kind of rough in the sermons, so what we?ve decided is that it?s best for you not to be out there in public.? Wright is retiring as senior pastor of the church in May. He asked his successor, Otis Moss III, to speak instead, but he declined. However, Obama and his family prayed privately with Wright just before the presidential announcement.

The media blackout on Obama?s radical minister is in striking contrast to the coverage of Romney. Nearly half the references to Romney in the media include a discussion of his membership in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

If Romney?s church proclaimed on its Web site that it is ?unashamedly white,? the media would pounce, and Romney?s presidential candidacy would be over. Yet that is what Obama?s church says on its web site -- except in reverse.

?We are a congregation which is unashamedly black and unapologetically Christian,? says the Trinity United Church of Christ?s Web site. ?We are an African people and remain true to our native land, the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.?

Moreover, the church has a ?non-negotiable commitment to Africa,? according to its Web site, and the church and its pastor subscribe to what is called the Black Value System.

While the Black Value System encourages commitment to God, education, and self-discipline, it refers to ?our racist competitive society? and includes the disavowal of the pursuit of ?middle-classness? and a pledge of allegiance to ?all black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System.? It defines ?middle-classness? as a way for American society to ?snare? blacks rather than ?killing them off directly? or ?placing them in concentration camps,? just as the country structures ?an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.?

In two exceptions to the media blackout, Tucker Carlson of MSNBC described Trinity as having a ?racially exclusive theology? that ?contradicts the basic tenets of Christianity.? Sean Hannity of Fox News confronted Wright on TV and asked how a black value system is any more acceptable than a white value system.

If a white presidential candidate?s church had a similar statement and ?you substitute the word black for white, there would be an outrage in this country,? Hannity said. ?There would be cries of racism in this country.'?

In response, Wright repeatedly asked Hannity how many books he had read by James Cone and others about black liberation theology. Cone, who is widely admired at Wright?s church, was quoted in the May 29, 2007, issue of The Christian Century as saying, ?Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man ?the devil.?... Any advice from whites to blacks on how to deal with white oppression is automatically under suspicion as a clever device to further enslavement.?

On a few points, Obama has sought to distance himself from Wright?s teachings or to explain them away. While Wright is his pastor and friend, Obama has said, they do not see eye to eye on everything. Without addressing Wright?s denunciations of Israel and Zionism as racist, Obama has said he ?strongly disagrees with any portrayal of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that advocates divestment from Israel or expresses anything less than strong support for Israel?s security.?

As for Wright?s repeated comments blaming America for the 9/11 attacks, Obama has said it sounds as if the minister was trying to be ?provocative.?

But Obama?s close association with Wright over more than two decades and the minister?s close ties to Farrakhan cannot be explained away so cavalierly. If Obama rejects Wright?s warped view of this country, why does he continue to attend his church? If Obama disagrees with Farrakhan and his anti-Semitic and anti-white statements, why doesn?t he denounce him rather than continue to associate with a minister and friend who is one of his advocates and who gave him an award for lifetime achievement? Does Obama secretly agree with some of their hate-filled, radical statements while publicly avoiding race-specific appeals as part of his candidacy?

That comports with Obama?s habit of not showing up for controversial votes or tackling tough policy issues, allowing him to broaden his appeal through charisma alone. Farrakhan himself recently spoke approvingly of Obama?s strategy, which is crucial to inviting whites to support him.

?Barack Obama has been very careful not to position himself as Rev. Jesse Jackson or Rev. Al Sharpton as a promoter of ?The Black Cause,?? Farrakhan said in the interview with FinalCall.com. ?He has been groomed, wisely so, to be seen more as a unifier, rather than one who speaks only for the hurt of black people.?

At the least, Obama?s membership in Wright?s church and close ties to Wright himself suggest a lack of judgment and an insensitivity to views that are repugnant to the vast majority of white Americans who are not bigots or anti-Semites.

That same lack of judgment has shown up in Obama?s gaffes -- threatening to invade Pakistan and offering prompt negotiations with anti-American despots. More frightening, Obama voted last August to give Osama bin Laden and other terrorists the same rights as Americans when it comes to intercepting their overseas calls in order to pick up clues needed to stop another attack.

To evaluate what Obama?s ties to Wright mean, picture America?s reaction if President Bush?s minister, mentor, and moral compass had the views of Wright and was an admirer and supporter of Farrakhan.

?He that lies down with dogs, shall rise up with fleas,? Benjamin Franklin said.

Obama may be a gifted orator, but his choice of a friend and advisor suggests he is masquerading as a moderate. While the liberal media have already decided Obama will be our next president, Americans may have a different view when they consider what his ties to Wright tell us about the presidential candidate?s true opinions and character.
Could be worse, Dick Cheney could be his inspiration:shocked:
 

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Many people have questioned Obama's ties to his church. His church is pretty far out there. It was even rumored that his advisors told him to distance himself from it.
 

Rainsford

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Well since I'm not voting for Farrakhan or Obama's minister for President, I'm not entirely sure what this article has to do with anything. If Obama has been influenced by the ideas described in the article, he's hiding it really, REALLY well. Far more so than any candidate in recent memory, Obama is running a campaign that appeals to a broad range of folks from every race and religion...that would seem to contradict the insinuation in this "article" pretty well.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
Many people have questioned Obama's ties to his church. His church is pretty far out there. It was even rumored that his advisors told him to distance himself from it.
If his church really is "out there", he obviously is distancing himself from it. George W. Bush is FAR less inclusive when it comes to religious faith, and nobody on the right seems to have a problem with that.
 

Bumrush99

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
Many people have questioned Obama's ties to his church. His church is pretty far out there. It was even rumored that his advisors told him to distance himself from it.
While that makes good political sense, at what point does Obama become accountable for his past actions? The media gave the guy a free pass when it came to him admitting to cocaine usage (which IMHO you can't even compare to occasional marijuana smoking), and seem to be afraid to confront him about issues of race or how his associates act. At what point do these issues make it to the mainstream media or do we have to wait until he is president to find out that he is militant in his beliefs?

A white candidate with ties, or even association with a militant white church would be buried alive by the media. The moment the story would break his career would be over. Why the double standard for Obama? I'm not saying the uproar should be enough to have him lose, I'm simply stating that this issue should be up for debate. And now that Obama has used race issues to shield himself from attack, I fear that the strategy will work to his advantage throughout the remainder of the campaign.
 

Bumrush99

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Well since I'm not voting for Farrakhan or Obama's minister for President, I'm not entirely sure what this article has to do with anything. If Obama has been influenced by the ideas described in the article, he's hiding it really, REALLY well. Far more so than any candidate in recent memory, Obama is running a campaign that appeals to a broad range of folks from every race and religion...that would seem to contradict the insinuation in this "article" pretty well.
Really. So if McCain went the Church Of KKK you wouldn't hold it against him since you wouldn't be voting for his pastor? Read the article and look at the quotes attributed to the minster or to the church. Do they sound that much different than what white supremacists say? If so, how does that reflect on Obama?
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Many people have questioned Obama's ties to his church. His church is pretty far out there. It was even rumored that his advisors told him to distance himself from it.
While that makes good political sense, at what point does Obama become accountable for his past actions? The media gave the guy a free pass when it came to him admitting to cocaine usage (which IMHO you can't even compare to occasional marijuana smoking), and seem to be afraid to confront him about issues of race or how his associates act. At what point do these issues make it to the mainstream media or do we have to wait until he is president to find out that he is militant in his beliefs?

A white candidate with ties, or even association with a militant white church would be buried alive by the media. The moment the story would break his career would be over. Why the double standard for Obama? I'm not saying the uproar should be enough to have him lose, I'm simply stating that this issue should be up for debate. And now that Obama has used race issues to shield himself from attack, I fear that the strategy will work to his advantage throughout the remainder of the campaign.
I'm sure the media is setting him up for the kill later this year. Or maybe there is less than you think.
 

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LOL Newsmax. If his church was that crazy or radical it wouldn't be broadcast on tv every week.

 

Bumrush99

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Many people have questioned Obama's ties to his church. His church is pretty far out there. It was even rumored that his advisors told him to distance himself from it.
If his church really is "out there", he obviously is distancing himself from it. George W. Bush is FAR less inclusive when it comes to religious faith, and nobody on the right seems to have a problem with that.
I'm not pleased with Bush or how faith plays a role in his administration. Just because Bush acts a certain way it doesn't mean we have to give Obama a free pass. After these last 8 years I'd think you'd be smart enough to see beyond the partisanship of this issue.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Many people have questioned Obama's ties to his church. His church is pretty far out there. It was even rumored that his advisors told him to distance himself from it.
If his church really is "out there", he obviously is distancing himself from it. George W. Bush is FAR less inclusive when it comes to religious faith, and nobody on the right seems to have a problem with that.
I'm not pleased with Bush or how faith plays a role in his administration. Just because Bush acts a certain way it doesn't mean we have to give Obama a free pass. After these last 8 years I'd think you'd be smart enough to see beyond the partisanship of this issue.
Right...except Obama ISN'T doing anything he needs a "free pass" for. He's not preaching divisive religious doctrine as official government policy, he's not acting like the black candidate, in fact he's pretty much one of the more uniting candidates in recent memory...your insinuations about him don't seem to match his actual behavior.

And please, cut the crap...your attack is as blindingly partisan as it gets...and I AM smart enough to see partisanship for what it is. And you, my McCain pushing friend, might as well be employed by the RNC.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Many people have questioned Obama's ties to his church. His church is pretty far out there. It was even rumored that his advisors told him to distance himself from it.
If his church really is "out there", he obviously is distancing himself from it. George W. Bush is FAR less inclusive when it comes to religious faith, and nobody on the right seems to have a problem with that.
I'm not pleased with Bush or how faith plays a role in his administration. Just because Bush acts a certain way it doesn't mean we have to give Obama a free pass. After these last 8 years I'd think you'd be smart enough to see beyond the partisanship of this issue.
Right...except Obama ISN'T doing anything he needs a "free pass" for. He's not preaching divisive religious doctrine as official government policy, he's not acting like the black candidate, in fact he's pretty much one of the more uniting candidates in recent memory...your insinuations about him don't seem to match his actual behavior.

And please, cut the crap...your attack is as blindingly partisan as it gets...and I AM smart enough to see partisanship for what it is. And you, my McCain pushing friend, might as well be employed by the RNC.
The main thing I dislike about McCain are those who support him

 

Dari

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If this church is so bad, how come the Clinton camp hasn't made any noise about it?
 

Bumrush99

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Many people have questioned Obama's ties to his church. His church is pretty far out there. It was even rumored that his advisors told him to distance himself from it.
If his church really is "out there", he obviously is distancing himself from it. George W. Bush is FAR less inclusive when it comes to religious faith, and nobody on the right seems to have a problem with that.
I'm not pleased with Bush or how faith plays a role in his administration. Just because Bush acts a certain way it doesn't mean we have to give Obama a free pass. After these last 8 years I'd think you'd be smart enough to see beyond the partisanship of this issue.
Right...except Obama ISN'T doing anything he needs a "free pass" for. He's not preaching divisive religious doctrine as official government policy, he's not acting like the black candidate, in fact he's pretty much one of the more uniting candidates in recent memory...your insinuations about him don't seem to match his actual behavior.

And please, cut the crap...your attack is as blindingly partisan as it gets...and I AM smart enough to see partisanship for what it is. And you, my McCain pushing friend, might as well be employed by the RNC.
It's pretty funny that you would insinuate that I should be employed by the RNC since I have never voted for a Republican in my entire life. But if Obama is the nominee I will vote for McCain, I simply do not trust his motives, his associates or his experience. Call me racist, call me whatever you want but I don't think its smart to have the leader of the free world associate with militant supremacists. Even if there less than a 1% chance that his policies or "true" character will be exposed after inauguration, I'm not willing to take that chance with my vote.
 

PottedMeat

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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
It's pretty funny that you would insinuate that I should be employed by the RNC since I have never voted for a Republican in my entire life. But if Obama is the nominee I will vote for McCain, I simply do not trust his motives, his associates or his experience. Call me racist, call me whatever you want but I don't think its smart to have the leader of the free world associate with militant supremacists. Even if there less than a 1% chance that his policies or "true" character will be exposed after inauguration, I'm not willing to take that chance with my vote.
It's not racist, just voting 'the devil you know', which I figure a lot of people will be doing - just not as many as the Obama supporters.

 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Many people have questioned Obama's ties to his church. His church is pretty far out there. It was even rumored that his advisors told him to distance himself from it.
If his church really is "out there", he obviously is distancing himself from it. George W. Bush is FAR less inclusive when it comes to religious faith, and nobody on the right seems to have a problem with that.
I'm not pleased with Bush or how faith plays a role in his administration. Just because Bush acts a certain way it doesn't mean we have to give Obama a free pass. After these last 8 years I'd think you'd be smart enough to see beyond the partisanship of this issue.
Right...except Obama ISN'T doing anything he needs a "free pass" for. He's not preaching divisive religious doctrine as official government policy, he's not acting like the black candidate, in fact he's pretty much one of the more uniting candidates in recent memory...your insinuations about him don't seem to match his actual behavior.

And please, cut the crap...your attack is as blindingly partisan as it gets...and I AM smart enough to see partisanship for what it is. And you, my McCain pushing friend, might as well be employed by the RNC.
It's pretty funny that you would insinuate that I should be employed by the RNC since I have never voted for a Republican in my entire life. But if Obama is the nominee I will vote for McCain, I simply do not trust his motives, his associates or his experience. Call me racist, call me whatever you want but I don't think its smart to have the leader of the free world associate with militant supremacists. Even if there less than a 1% chance that his policies or "true" character will be exposed after inauguration, I'm not willing to take that chance with my vote.
Well, propaganda doesn't work very well if it comes from a dyed in the wool supporter of the other team. Of COURSE you've "never voted for a Republican in your entire life", this kind of bullshit would hardly work if you claimed to be a lifelong Republican voter. I'm not going to call you a racist, but you're either pretty stupid or you're intentionally trying to mislead people. These hit pieces on Obama don't seem to have a lot of grounding in reality, yet you and others are pretty ready to believe them. That implies that you either WANT to believe them, or you're the kind of people who regularly send your money to the wives of dead Nigerian businessmen.
 

Mxylplyx

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Originally posted by: Dari
If this church is so bad, how come the Clinton camp hasn't made any noise about it?
Attacking a man's faith, especially one that claims to be Christian, is a dangerous move in America, even in politics.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Well since I'm not voting for Farrakhan or Obama's minister for President, I'm not entirely sure what this article has to do with anything. If Obama has been influenced by the ideas described in the article, he's hiding it really, REALLY well. Far more so than any candidate in recent memory, Obama is running a campaign that appeals to a broad range of folks from every race and religion...that would seem to contradict the insinuation in this "article" pretty well.
I think this is going to be made an issue by the right once Obama has the Dem nomination tied up, so Obama is going to need to address it at some point. Right now he's content to let this play to his advantage (against Hillary) but he's not going to be able to "hide" from it much longer.
 

Dari

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Originally posted by: Dari
If this church is so bad, how come the Clinton camp hasn't made any noise about it?
Attacking a man's faith, especially one that claims to be Christian, is a dangerous move in America, even in politics.
Riiight...like when they tried to claim he was as muslim? Or were they concerned about the political aspect of it? If so, then how is this different?
 

Moonbeam

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Be very afraid of Obama. He's what lurks under your bed. He's a big unknown, a mirror, where you see all of your fears. He is the sea serpent, the monster is space, your nightmare waiting to happen. Obama is a black board on which your insanity happily engages in automatic writing.

Those who can't be trusted fear others will be untrustworthy and the thief fears he will be robbed.
 

Bumrush99

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Many people have questioned Obama's ties to his church. His church is pretty far out there. It was even rumored that his advisors told him to distance himself from it.
If his church really is "out there", he obviously is distancing himself from it. George W. Bush is FAR less inclusive when it comes to religious faith, and nobody on the right seems to have a problem with that.
I'm not pleased with Bush or how faith plays a role in his administration. Just because Bush acts a certain way it doesn't mean we have to give Obama a free pass. After these last 8 years I'd think you'd be smart enough to see beyond the partisanship of this issue.
Right...except Obama ISN'T doing anything he needs a "free pass" for. He's not preaching divisive religious doctrine as official government policy, he's not acting like the black candidate, in fact he's pretty much one of the more uniting candidates in recent memory...your insinuations about him don't seem to match his actual behavior.

And please, cut the crap...your attack is as blindingly partisan as it gets...and I AM smart enough to see partisanship for what it is. And you, my McCain pushing friend, might as well be employed by the RNC.
It's pretty funny that you would insinuate that I should be employed by the RNC since I have never voted for a Republican in my entire life. But if Obama is the nominee I will vote for McCain, I simply do not trust his motives, his associates or his experience. Call me racist, call me whatever you want but I don't think its smart to have the leader of the free world associate with militant supremacists. Even if there less than a 1% chance that his policies or "true" character will be exposed after inauguration, I'm not willing to take that chance with my vote.
Well, propaganda doesn't work very well if it comes from a dyed in the wool supporter of the other team. Of COURSE you've "never voted for a Republican in your entire life", this kind of bullshit would hardly work if you claimed to be a lifelong Republican voter. I'm not going to call you a racist, but you're either pretty stupid or you're intentionally trying to mislead people. These hit pieces on Obama don't seem to have a lot of grounding in reality, yet you and others are pretty ready to believe them. That implies that you either WANT to believe them, or you're the kind of people who regularly send your money to the wives of dead Nigerian businessmen.
Since you seem preoccupied with refuting me, tell you what? How about you go ahead and refute the quoted remarks by the minster, or his association with Farrakahn, or the trip to meet in Libya with Ghaddafi? If associating yourself with a "Church" that honors a black militant, racist demigod like Farrakahn is OK in your book then I guess I have no grounds to stand on. I'd love to see your reaction if McCain or any other presidential candidate was a member of white sepratist church that wrote wonderful tributes about the greatness of Hitler.

When it comes down to it the people that have inspired him are relevant to the choice we all have to make. Again, since you decided that a personal attack was the way to go, please help show me the light on the issue by refuting some of the comments in the article.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Be very afraid of Obama. He's what lurks under your bed. He's a big unknown, a mirror, where you see all of your fears. He is the sea serpent, the monster is space, your nightmare waiting to happen. Obama is a black board on which your insanity happily engages in automatic writing.

Those who can't be trusted fear others will be untrustworthy and the thief fears he will be robbed.
Unfortunately, trusting, honest people get robbed and lied to all the time.
 

LumbergTech

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Be very afraid of Obama. He's what lurks under your bed. He's a big unknown, a mirror, where you see all of your fears. He is the sea serpent, the monster is space, your nightmare waiting to happen. Obama is a black board on which your insanity happily engages in automatic writing.

Those who can't be trusted fear others will be untrustworthy and the thief fears he will be robbed.
Unfortunately, trusting, honest people get robbed and lied to all the time.
as do distrusting dishonest people..

im surprised you didnt add.."and tahts why we need guns blah blah"
 

heyheybooboo

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The OP lost me with ""...ANGRY racist wife...""

And when a 'lifelong democrat' sez they will vote for Johnnie 'Stay the Course' MacLame in 2008 (after the last 7 years), I gotta snicker at the FUD :)
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Since you seem preoccupied with refuting me, tell you what? How about you go ahead and refute the quoted remarks by the minster, or his association with Farrakahn, or the trip to meet in Libya with Ghaddafi? If associating yourself with a "Church" that honors a black militant, racist demigod like Farrakahn is OK in your book then I guess I have no grounds to stand on. I'd love to see your reaction if McCain or any other presidential candidate was a member of white sepratist church that wrote wonderful tributes about the greatness of Hitler.

When it comes down to it the people that have inspired him are relevant to the choice we all have to make. Again, since you decided that a personal attack was the way to go, please help show me the light on the issue by refuting some of the comments in the article.
Wow, that's quite a promotion. :Q
 

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