Distraught Pregnant woman attempts suicide. Is charged with fetal death

micrometers · Mar 10, 2012

http://www.thenation.com/article/166664/protect-pregnant-women-free-bei-bei-shuai

This is a heartbreaking story. basically she gets stood up by her man. He tells her that he has another family and is leaving her.

Distraught, she swallows rat poison.

friends and family save her, but not before the fetus she is carrying dies.

Now, the state is prosecuting her.

Three months later, the newly elected prosecutor, Terry Currya Democratbrought charges, claiming that the rat poison that almost killed Shuai had killed her baby. If convicted, she faces forty-five to sixty-five years in prison.

Good job pro-lifers.

JEDIYoda · Mar 10, 2012

so whats the issue....she killed her baby trying to kill herself.....seems like the prosecutor is in the right.

Lanyap · Mar 10, 2012

She was 8 months pregnant. At that point the baby is fully formed and functional except for still being the womb. She had a responsibilty. It's almost like killing your kids before you commit suicide.

LumbergTech · Mar 10, 2012

Tough one, its human nature to want to destroy the situation when you feel like life is no longer viable. The woman cracked and made a selfish choice. Pretty fucked for a husband to leave someone in that situation. I don't really see what charging her with anything is going to accomplish, but the public will want their blood. Sad story all around. Sure, punish her, whatever, I doubt that it will make her life any worse. She will have to live with herself now and I suppose that will be a worse fate than death.

cybrsage · Mar 10, 2012

If the husband had hit her in the belly with a bat, killing the unborn human, he would have been charged with murder. The law does not care if you were mad or sad when you commit a crime. Had she gone to an abortionist and had him kill the unborn human instead, no charges would have been filed (depending on the laws of the state wrt limits to abortion).

Mr. Pedantic · Mar 10, 2012

She should have taken dabigatran instead of warfarin. No antidote.

sandorski · Mar 10, 2012

It's ridiculous to charge her with Murder. Hopefully she gets let off on a temporary Insanity clause.

cybrsage · Mar 10, 2012

sandorski said:
It's ridiculous to charge her with Murder. Hopefully she gets let off on a temporary Insanity clause.

Did she vioate the murder law of her state? If yes, then it is not rediculous to charge her with murder. If no, then it is.

You obviously have researched the murder law of her state to make your claim, so what does it say? Is it murder to kill a fetus at the 8 month point in her state?

micrometers · Mar 10, 2012

cybrsage said:
Did she vioate the murder law of her state? If yes, then it is not rediculous to charge her with murder. If no, then it is.

You obviously have researched the murder law of her state to make your claim, so what does it say? Is it murder to kill a fetus at the 8 month point in her state?

There is obviously prosecutorial leeway. It's also not a coincidence that this is happening in Indiana, which of course like all midwestern states has a very passionate pro-life movement.

Londo_Jowo · Mar 10, 2012

Yet so ironic that a Democratic Prosecutor is the one that decided to charge the woman with fetal death.

MotF Bane · Mar 10, 2012

cybrsage said:
If the husband had hit her in the belly with a bat, killing the unborn human, he would have been charged with murder. The law does not care if you were mad or sad when you commit a crime. Had she gone to an abortionist and had him kill the unborn human instead, no charges would have been filed (depending on the laws of the state wrt limits to abortion).

If that is true, then she deserves these charges.

rpsgc · Mar 10, 2012

Next up:

* Indiana legislators pass the NOSPNK bill.

* Indiana prosecutors charge almost 2 million men with murder. Insider sources claim these men were regular masturbators, thus, might have killed billions of babies through a period of several years.

Masturbation = murder

Think of the children. Death penalty. NOW

DCal430 · Mar 10, 2012

Fact is she could have had an abortion if she wanted too in any state. The courts have been clear states cannot restrict abortions on women who suffer depression. So charging her with murder is beyond stupid.

DCal430 · Mar 10, 2012

cybrsage said:
Did she vioate the murder law of her state? If yes, then it is not rediculous to charge her with murder. If no, then it is.

You obviously have researched the murder law of her state to make your claim, so what does it say? Is it murder to kill a fetus at the 8 month point in her state?

It is not murder or illegal to have an abortion in her state at 8 months for reason of depression. It is legal in every state per the US Supreme Court ruling.

Gonad the Barbarian · Mar 10, 2012

This is bullshit. She performed a late term abortion at worst and if there are penalties for that maybe should face those but you can't equate this to a fetal death from an assault.

Jaskalas · Mar 10, 2012

Gonad the Barbarian said:
This is bullshit. She performed a late term abortion at worst and if there are penalties for that maybe should face those but you can't equate this to a fetal death from an assault.

Yet that is exactly what this is.

micrometers · Mar 10, 2012

I just think that she's suffered so much tragedy as it is. To have these criminal proceedings thrown on top of it is just inhumane.

Rainsford · Mar 10, 2012

Jaskalas said:
Yet that is exactly what this is.

I really don't think it is. Intent and the fact that the mother did it to herself must provide SOME context, right? Just like how suicide isn't murder...

Hayabusa Rider · Mar 10, 2012

karmypolitics said:
I just think that she's suffered so much tragedy as it is. To have these criminal proceedings thrown on top of it is just inhumane.

she's living in a state where is considered a crime for someone to harm a fetus other than to have an abortion then she is guilty. Anyone who conflates this with abortion is wrong on the face of it. That being the case being charged is the correct action. The reality is that no court is going to convict her and I also believe that would be proper as well.

Jaskalas · Mar 10, 2012

karmypolitics said:
I just think that she's suffered so much tragedy as it is. To have these criminal proceedings thrown on top of it is just inhumane.

I've no problem taking that into consideration. It is reasonable to do so.

Rainsford · Mar 10, 2012

Hayabusa Rider said:
she's living in a state where is considered a crime for someone to harm a fetus other than to have an abortion then she is guilty. Anyone who conflates this with abortion is wrong on the face of it. That being the case being charged is the correct action. The reality is that no court is going to convict her and I also believe that would be proper as well.

Hmm, you may be right on the legal angle here. I think you are probably right on the practical angle too...

Gonad the Barbarian · Mar 10, 2012

Rainsford said:
Hmm, you may be right on the legal angle here. I think you are probably right on the practical angle too...

Explain how this woman didn't perform an abortion.

Carmen813 · Mar 10, 2012

Hmm, I wonder what would have happened if the baby and the mother had survived her suicide attempt.

HAL9000 · Mar 10, 2012

Tragic. But the state is doing the right thing.

Suicide should never be an impulsive spur of the moment act.

Gonad the Barbarian · Mar 10, 2012

This is insane. She made a decision to terminate her pregnancy and did so. In no way, shape, or form is the state doing the right thing here.

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