Display adapter scaling vs Monitor scaling

Folk

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I have a 6800GT and a Dell 1905FP LCD monitor. In the Nvidia control panel under "Digital Flat Panel Settings" there are options for either "display adapter scaling" or "monitor scaling". Which is best? On the one hand I know the 6800GT is a good card and should be able to handle the job but on the other hand the Genesis signal processor is dedicated to the task and might do a better job then the GPU. I know "try it and see" is a valid answer to my question, but I would like to know the reasons behind why one would (should) be better than the other.
 

Peter

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Patience ... this is not a 24-hour manned hotline.

There's a choice because each method has its weaknesses and strengths, depending on what kind of image you feed it and what properties you prefer (smoothness or crisp text for example). Do what you do with the machine, try both settings, keep what YOU liked best.
 

BroadbandGamer

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If you don't like the scaling (I hate it and it drives me nuts when people don't care that they're looking at a scaled image) then turn it off in the driver and the monitor setting.
 

Josh7289

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Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer
If you don't like the scaling (I hate it and it drives me nuts when people don't care that they're looking at a scaled image) then turn it off in the driver and the monitor setting.

Hey, abuot Nvidia's controls to disable scaling. Are those available on only DVI or are they available on VGA, too? I, too, hate scaling and my ATI graphics won't let me disable it, so I need an Nvidia card. Thanks.
 

BroadbandGamer

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Originally posted by: Josh7289
Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer
If you don't like the scaling (I hate it and it drives me nuts when people don't care that they're looking at a scaled image) then turn it off in the driver and the monitor setting.

Hey, abuot Nvidia's controls to disable scaling. Are those available on only DVI or are they available on VGA, too? I, too, hate scaling and my ATI graphics won't let me disable it, so I need an Nvidia card. Thanks.

Are you sure you can't disable it?

Right click desktop, properties, settings, advanced, displays, FPD, Scale Image to Panel Size.

Uncheck the "scale image to panel size".

If ATI doesn't let you unscale the image using VGA then I don't know if NVIDIA will let you. All my stuff is DVI.
 

BroadbandGamer

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Originally posted by: Auric
NVIDIA only DVI too. What you need is a diff'rent LCD! :(

Yeah, my new Dell coming has built in scaling options in the menu. Something I've always wished my 172x had.
 

Josh7289

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Why do I need a different LCD? In a short time, I can get a 6600 LE for $60-70 that will completely own my Radeon Xpress 200 IGP. It will of course have DVI unlike my current VGA-only IGP, and then I can just use Nvidia's no scaling options. I'll be set. I have a Samsung 730B. It's good for gaming and I don't really have much money to spend, so $250 after rebates at Circuit City was an excellent deal for me!
 

Auric

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Ah so, you have a DVI capable LCD but sans its own scaling options and are currently using on-board VGA. Your query seemed to imply the hope that an NVIDIA card would allow driver scaling options with a VGA LCD. In any case, NVIDIA does have more driver scaling options than ATI, but likewise limited to DVI only.
 

Peter

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There is no card-based scaling on CRTs. It's the CRT's deflection control circuitry that expands the image to make use of the entire screen.
 

kmmatney

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If you have a 6800GT, then you shouldn't need to use much scaling! The two best settings to use are 1280 x 1024 (native) and 1280 x 960 (4:3 scaling).

I use the option in the NVidia display driver which gives you proportional scaling. in 1280 x 960 mode, I have a small amount of unused screen above and below, but everything is propertioned nicely.
 

Josh7289

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Originally posted by: Peter
There is no card-based scaling on CRTs. It's the CRT's deflection control circuitry that expands the image to make use of the entire screen.

Thanks, but we were talking about LCDs ;)
 

Auric

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Originally posted by: kmmatney
If you have a 6800GT, then you shouldn't need to use much scaling! The two best settings to use are 1280 x 1024 (native) and 1280 x 960 (4:3 scaling).

I use the option in the NVidia display driver which gives you proportional scaling. in 1280 x 960 mode, I have a small amount of unused screen above and below, but everything is propertioned nicely.

1280x960 on a 1280x1024 max panel does not involve scaling unless a full-screen application (game, visualization, &c.) has been configured for a lower horizontal resolution such as 1024x768 and either "fixed aspect ratio scaling" is enabled or "monitor scaling" is enabled and the monitor's similar hardware option, if existing, is enabled -although more likely the option does not exist and thus results in disproportional scaling. There is a sadly prevalent misconception that LCD's can only display one resolution unaltered so I felt compelled to clarify the terminology ;)

But indeed, with a peppy viddy card, resorting to a lower horizontal resolution and suffering either a reduced size or reduced quality (by scaling up to the full width) should not oft be necessary (except perchance with those games limited to lower resolutions by design and not performance demands).

Good day sir... I said good day! :p
 

Peter

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Originally posted by: Josh7289
Originally posted by: Peter
There is no card-based scaling on CRTs. It's the CRT's deflection control circuitry that expands the image to make use of the entire screen.

Thanks, but we were talking about LCDs ;)

Someone halfway up asked about VGA output - and even if you connect an LCD there, the handling of it will be exactly like a CRT monitor, as described: Picture goes out unscaled, and it's up to the display unit to do something useful with it.
 

Folk

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Originally posted by: Peter
Patience ... this is not a 24-hour manned hotline.


That's why I waited 25 hours to bump.:)

Originally posted by: Peter
Do what you do with the machine, try both settings, keep what YOU liked best.

Originally posted by: Folk
I know "try it and see" is a valid answer to my question, but I would like to know the reasons behind why one would (should) be better than the other.

Heh. And on the first response too.

I was just curious as to whether the built in Genesis DSP or Nvidia does the better job. From the lack of any info out on the web (and here) it appears that no one has actually tested this. Mabye it would be an interesting article for some video enthusiast related web site to tackle. ;)