Dishonest iOS/Android OS update chart floating around

Phokus

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So this chart is exploding and getting posted to all the apple sites, reddit, everywhere:

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http://www.fidlee.com/android-support-vs-ios-support/

I wrote a response on reddit about this here:

http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/...comes_to_supporting_older_devices_ios/cdt03h4

It is really amazing how uninformed most people are about how android gets updated (and i would lump some android users with this who buy into this hooey too, not just apple users).

Also, i much prefer how google DOESN'T tie critical app updates to the OS version. For Apple? You'll get stuck with old versions of major Apple apps once the update runs out. That sucks.
 
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Zaap

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LOL. What's most telling to me about that chart- forget OS versions, look at the absolute sad update life of iPhone HARDWARE.

So a phone that came out in Oct. 2011 is still being sold- whereas in the Android world no one is still trying to push 2011's outdated phones.

And so what if a 3GS from 2009 still runs the last version of iOS... why is someone clinging to using such an old outdated POS phone? UPDATE already, geesh!

I guess if you're only tallying up the 5 or 6 phone choices you've had in as many years, worrying about how long you can cling to old hardware is a huge deal. When you have at least 5 or 6 choices of phones EVERY YEAR such as with Android- who gives a crap?

Seriously, who gives a crap what version of Android a freakin' Captivate from 2010 is running? Samsung which isn't stingy like Apple has probably released a dozen or more better models since then.
 

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Zaap, there is no reason to update the iPhone hardware more than once a year. It keeps upgrade cycles and software updates in a nice cadence. The iPhones launch with powerful hardware, especially graphics so they stay capable.

Normal people upgrade every 2-3 years, so having monthly hardware iterations isn't worth Apples time. Also Android includes many manufacturers making multiple models. Of course there will be more hardware selection.
 

openwheel

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older iPhones, 3GS, 4, and 4S have been sluggish for sometime now. The chart is a bit misleading.
 

cheezy321

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Looks like most of reddit doesn't agree with you either. You are just stating your opinion and spouting it as fact. Then you go and post it anywhere and everywhere you can.

Android and Apple do their updates two different ways. You like how android does it, some like how apple does it. Just because it does not line up with your opinion does not make that chart misleading.

You know you're argument is pretty pathetic when your first suggestion is to 'just buy a new phone!'
 
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Does it really matter in the end? Personally, I root and custom ROM my phone the second I get it (Nexus 5 currently), and it doesn't matter to me what the manufacturer puts out. Why the version of the OS matters to regular people, I'll never know. Most people don't like change--I've heard so many people get angry about the new software updates and how ugly the new versions of the OS looks. This chart is for geeks who care about things that don't really matter to most people.

Honestly, Kit Kat 4.4 isn't a big deal. I actually prefer the look of Jelly Bean...
 

Phokus

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Looks like most of reddit doesn't agree with you either. You are just stating your opinion and spouting it as fact. Then you go and post it anywhere and everywhere you can.

Android and Apple do their updates two different ways. You like how android does it, some like how apple does it. Just because it does not line up with your opinion does not make that chart misleading.

You know you're argument is pretty pathetic when your first suggestion is to 'just buy a new phone!'

I got downvoted for being strident (which, i fully admit, sometimes take to the extreme on reddit), but there's no doubt that the way Google does updates is better especially considering the iOS 7 debacle on older devices. Most important aspects of the OS are now seperated from the core android OS and they'll receive updates for a long time wheras for iOS if you update to a newer OS on an older device, it could seriously break things/slow down your phone (or you could choose not to upgrade and give up critical app updates).
 

cheezy321

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I got downvoted for being strident (which, i fully admit, sometimes take to the extreme on reddit), but there's no doubt that the way Google does updates is better especially considering the iOS 7 debacle on older devices. Most important aspects of the OS are now seperated from the core android OS and they'll receive updates for a long time wheras for iOS if you update to a newer OS on an older device, it could seriously break things/slow down your phone (or you could choose not to upgrade and give up critical app updates).

It's funny how you consider them 'critical app updates' on iOS but don't consider the core OS updates 'critical' on android. Your language and zealot-like re-posting of your opinions just further cements your bias.




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Phokus

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It's funny how you consider them 'critical app updates' on iOS but don't consider the core OS updates 'critical' on android. Your language and zealot-like re-posting of your opinions just further cements your bias.

There's no bias, Google moved most of the OS to Google Play Services/Google Play Store. Motorola even moved the Camera app to the store (probably a preview of things to come). iOS updates are tied to the OS updates. I find it comforting that Google Now updates are independent of OS updates while Siri is dependent on OS updates. Just an example of how Google is doing it:

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I'm not sure what's misleading about the chart. I have a Galaxy S that is stuck on Android 2.2 officially. And a iPhone 4 that has iOS7. These 3 year old phones may not run the latest OS as well as they used to, but it's nice to have the new features anyway.

My Galaxy S is still running Android "Market" and can't run Chrome.

As much as I love Android, and I recognize the improvements with the updates through Play Services, it still isn't quite on the same level as iOS. Though I don't think it ever can be either because of the open nature of Android.
 

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There's no bias, Google moved most of the OS to Google Play Services/Google Play Store. Motorola even moved the Camera app to the store (probably a preview of things to come). iOS updates are tied to the OS updates. I find it comforting that Google Now updates are independent of OS updates while Siri is dependent on OS updates. Just an example of how Google is doing it:

playservicesdiagram2.png

As I see it, the issue is that people aren't necessarily using those Google apps but are using whatever is provided by the handset manufacturer. AFAIK, Samsung, HTC, etc. all set their own "critical apps" as a default and I imagine most users don't change them. I bet they don't get updated for very long.

Also, I enjoyed this response to your reddit post:

[–]Pysta 0 points 6 hours ago

You are not downvoted because of "facts" (let's be honest, you are just as one sided as everyone here), but because you are a collosal asshole. Every single comment you wrote links to this comment... how desperate are you? Edit: i didn't notice your comment pointed outside of /r/apple, god damn you and your eerily similar comments
 

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I'm not sure what's misleading about the chart. I have a Galaxy S that is stuck on Android 2.2 officially. And a iPhone 4 that has iOS7. These 3 year old phones may not run the latest OS as well as they used to, but it's nice to have the new features anyway.

My Galaxy S is still running Android "Market" and can't run Chrome.

As much as I love Android, and I recognize the improvements with the updates through Play Services, it still isn't quite on the same level as iOS. Though I don't think it ever can be either because of the open nature of Android.

My Galaxy S is running 4.2.2 including fully functional Google Now. Good luck getting a feature complete version of iOS 7 on a iPhone 4.
 

sweenish

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I'm not sure what's misleading about the chart. I have a Galaxy S that is stuck on Android 2.2 officially. And a iPhone 4 that has iOS7. These 3 year old phones may not run the latest OS as well as they used to, but it's nice to have the new features anyway.

Like Siri? And translucency? Some stuff that they cut makes sense, but when it doesn't, I get super irritated.
 

cheezy321

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There's no bias, Google moved most of the OS to Google Play Services/Google Play Store. Motorola even moved the Camera app to the store (probably a preview of things to come). iOS updates are tied to the OS updates. I find it comforting that Google Now updates are independent of OS updates while Siri is dependent on OS updates. Just an example of how Google is doing it:

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Again you focus on the apps because that's where you think android 'wins'. You completely gloss over the OS improvements that are not available for a lot of android users. Are you saying that kit kat is the same OS as gingerbread? Come on now, at least own up to your bias.
 

lothar

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I'm not sure what's misleading about the chart. I have a Galaxy S that is stuck on Android 2.2 officially. And an iPhone 4 that has iOS7. These 3 year old phones may not run the latest OS as well as they used to, but it's nice to have the new features anyway.

My Galaxy S is still running Android "Market" and can't run Chrome.

As much as I love Android, and I recognize the improvements with the updates through Play Services, it still isn't quite on the same level as iOS. Though I don't think it ever can be either because of the open nature of Android.
What new features did you get on your iPhone 4?
Siri? Turn by turn navigation? Translucency? Panorama? AirDrop? FaceTime over cellular?
That's a lot of new features you have there...
 
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As I see it, the issue is that people aren't necessarily using those Google apps but are using whatever is provided by the handset manufacturer. AFAIK, Samsung, HTC, etc. all set their own "critical apps" as a default and I imagine most users don't change them. I bet they don't get updated for very long.

Also, I enjoyed this response to your reddit post:

If there's a redundant version of an app (say... Chrome + Samsung Internet Browser), it'll bring up a dialog box the first time you click on a link and ask which you want to use.

Only apps where there's no redundant version will it default to a specific app. And looking at the list of best selling apps in Android (SwiftKey at #1)--people are well aware that anything they don't like can be changed.
 

Zaap

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Zaap, there is no reason to update the iPhone hardware more than once a year. It keeps upgrade cycles and software updates in a nice cadence. The iPhones launch with powerful hardware, especially graphics so they stay capable.

Normal people upgrade every 2-3 years, so having monthly hardware iterations isn't worth Apples time. Also Android includes many manufacturers making multiple models. Of course there will be more hardware selection.
Your focus is on what's worth Apple's time, my focus is on what's worth consumer's time and money.

I've seen too many people with iPhones (still know a bunch of them) that cling to some old model of iPhone, because they are waiting for an upgrade they actually consider worth it, not just an incremental step. I know people right now waiting for the iPhone 6... just like many before that waaaaaaaaaaaaaaited for the iPhone 5.

With Android, I've gone from my SGS3, to a Note 2, to a Note 3 in the same time as I've known iPhone users to cling to the same model because they know it'll be years before something that's truly new that's a major upgrade comes along. Nothing was wrong with any of the phones I had before- I just wanted more, and Samsung (plus a decent selection from other makers) makes it possible not to feel stuck with the same thing for year after year.

I like iPhones, I think they're very nice phones- I just think Apple is way too stingy with their upgrade cycle, and I think their fans have fallen into a trap of being way too permissive and excuse-making about it.
 

poofyhairguy

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I like iPhones, I think they're very nice phones- I just think Apple is way too stingy with their upgrade cycle, and I think their fans have fallen into a trap of being way too permissive and excuse-making about it.

The problem with current day iPhones is that we all see what is coming so far in advance. The surprise is gone.

I mean, we all know what the big iPhone 6 feature will be (or should be): a larger screen.

If Apple would have thrown away the iPhone 5 mold after a year and made the 5S 5 inches, THAT would have been a surprise.
 
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My Galaxy S is running 4.2.2 including fully functional Google Now. Good luck getting a feature complete version of iOS 7 on a iPhone 4.

And? It doesn't run very well. I have a Nexus S and unless the Nexus S and Galaxy S are vastly different devices, it's a night and day difference going from a Nexus S to a Galaxy S2 to a Nexus 4.

This is my experience with 4.3 because I ran 4.3 on all 3 devices for comparison back in September 2013. Similarly it's a night and day difference going from iOS7 on an iPhone 4 to a 4S to a 5.

You're right however that you do get the full featureset on an older phone like the Galaxy S, but that phone has been sluggish to begin with. If anything, 4.1 and 4.3 made the experience a lot better on such a lagfest phone.

Your focus is on what's worth Apple's time, my focus is on what's worth consumer's time and money.

I've seen too many people with iPhones (still know a bunch of them) that cling to some old model of iPhone, because they are waiting for an upgrade they actually consider worth it, not just an incremental step. I know people right now waiting for the iPhone 6... just like many before that waaaaaaaaaaaaaaited for the iPhone 5.

With Android, I've gone from my SGS3, to a Note 2, to a Note 3 in the same time as I've known iPhone users to cling to the same model because they know it'll be years before something that's truly new that's a major upgrade comes along. Nothing was wrong with any of the phones I had before- I just wanted more, and Samsung (plus a decent selection from other makers) makes it possible not to feel stuck with the same thing for year after year.

I like iPhones, I think they're very nice phones- I just think Apple is way too stingy with their upgrade cycle, and I think their fans have fallen into a trap of being way too permissive and excuse-making about it.

Comparing YOUR upgrade strategy with your buddy's isn't exactly fair. If you think that Apple is not upgrading its phones enough then it should've fallen far behind already and been stuck in the stone age. The fact is today's iPhone still does a lot and I say this as an iPhone 5 user. I agree Android's made big strides forward, but one can argue there aren't that many changes going from phone to phone either. A lot of it is in the software if you compare each revision of the Galaxy S phones. Other than larger screens and faster hardware, what are we getting really?

In many ways, I know people who held onto a GS2 and waited for a GS4. It's not that easy to say it's Apple or Samsung or anyone's fault that they're waiting to upgrade for something bigger. It's the nature of technology. You're not going to trade your 2012 car for a 2013 car unless it's a total redesign, and even then that's a bit excessive unless you're rolling in cash. People wait for big changes. Furthermore, given the US model of upgrades is based on 2 years, I'm not surprised at all people skip 1 iPhone generation. You upgrade your phone because you're an enthusiast. I went from a Nexus S to a GS2 to a Nexus 4. In retrospect, the GS2 was unnecessary. Do I blame Samsung now for being stingy? Technology sometimes doesn't move that fast to justify rapid upgrades like that.
 
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shortylickens

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Actually, my Note 2 is one major release behind.

Not that I care, since it runs great and I truly dont need anything more.
 

Phokus

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Again you focus on the apps because that's where you think android 'wins'. You completely gloss over the OS improvements that are not available for a lot of android users. Are you saying that kit kat is the same OS as gingerbread? Come on now, at least own up to your bias.

You should probably read that chart a little closer, not all of those are apps, and some apps are basically integral to the OS and can be considered part of the OS (i.e. the keyboard, API's or Siri/Google Now, etc.)
 

openwheel

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I like iPhones, I think they're very nice phones- I just think Apple is way too stingy with their upgrade cycle, and I think their fans have fallen into a trap of being way too permissive and excuse-making about it.

True. I know people were are still "upgrading" to iPhone 4 and 4S recently. $0.01 $49.99 on contract. They run so sluggish on iOS7.

A lot of it has to do with perceived value. To many, any iPhone is a luxury item and is treated like so. Unfortunately, that simply doesn't work in the tech World with fast depreciating value and usefulness.
 
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