Discussion Thread Re: 8/3 No Insults Rule Amendment

[cybrsage]

Simply because it shouldn't be required.

You are now saying you should not be required to do what you request others to do. Interesting.

 

[jackstar7]

You are now saying you should not be required to do what you request others to do. Interesting.

Ha. It's not required to make myself clear. I ought to be able to communicate my query without also answering it, especially because as I said, it would simply create artificial limits for your answer when I'd prefer you to have no limits or restraints in your response. Do you require them?

But I do enjoy your spin moves. I hope you continue to display them.

 

[cybrsage]

Ha. It's not required to make myself clear.

True. However, if you actually want a response to your question, being clear about the question is needed. If you choose to not be clear in your question, you also choose to not get an answer.

As I said, I am not bothered either way. The choice to both refuse to do what you want others to do and to remain unclear is a valid choice you can make. It also appears that is the choice you selected. No biggie to me.

 

[jackstar7]

True. However, if you actually want a response to your question, being clear about the question is needed. If you choose to not be clear in your question, you also choose to not get an answer.

As I said, I am not bothered either way. The choice to both refuse to do what you want others to do and to remain unclear is a valid choice you can make. It also appears that is the choice you selected. No biggie to me.

If that's what you see, then clearly your perception is lacking. In my restating the question you have again failed to understand, so I will continue to look for a phrasing that can illuminate and perhaps yield a result.

In the meantime, do you require the restraints and strict guidelines in order to answer an otherwise broad question? Tell me your fears about answering and I'll see what I can do to quell them.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

I wish the mods would look at the PA voter fraud thread......it's amazing that a single troll gets to continue to outright lie an dmake BS assertions, and isn't forced to provide any evidence.

I have pointed out he is wrong, linked many articles to evidence showing that it is voter suppression, and our #1 bigoted troll just posts a map of the US. That's it.

He's been asked four times now to provide links to examples of where the US has had an election changed by voter fraud, and he refuses to post anything (of course, this is because he knows there isn't), except for maps and claiming Fl isn't PA (gee, no kidding)

So when are the mods going to do something about this? This is ridiculous that one person can almost single-handedly ruin a forum because his desire to troll 50+ posts a day.

He's been temp-banned like what? 8 or 9 times already? And refuses to change after each vacation. That seems like pretty clear evidence that he is unable to change, so just ban him and let him pick another forum to troll. Hell, just googling his name shows years of history of trolling other forums, so what he is doing here isn't even new.

How many temp bans does it take to get perma-banned?

 

[monovillage]

It's obvious we can't have the rules moderated by someone with extremely strong views on one side or the other. Probably not have moderation done by anyone that posts at ATP&N at all.

 

[jackstar7]

It's obvious we can't have the rules moderated by someone with extremely strong views on one side or the other. Probably not have moderation done by anyone that posts at ATP&N at all.

What makes it obvious?

 

[monovillage]

What makes it obvious?

It's been my stated opinion in this thread since it started that there isn't even handed moderation in this forum. The extreme response to my active thread confirms it.
Nice try at baiting though.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

It's obvious we can't have the rules moderated by someone with extremely strong views on one side or the other. Probably not have moderation done by anyone that posts at ATP&N at all.

I don't know that that is obvious.

What is obvious to me is that nothing is going to change while the admins refuse to even acknowledge that there's a problem. Maybe they don't think there is one, maybe they do, but they seem to be keeping to themselves.

Either way, it's their site, and it's up to them.

 

[monovillage]

I don't know that that is obvious.

What is obvious to me is that nothing is going to change while the admins refuse to even acknowledge that there's a problem. Maybe they don't think there is one, maybe they do, but they seem to be keeping to themselves.

Either way, it's their site, and it's up to them.

No, it's Mr. Shimpi's site, they administer it for him.

 

[jackstar7]

It's been my stated opinion in this thread since it started that there isn't even handed moderation in this forum. The extreme response to my active thread confirms it.
Nice try at baiting though.

That's kinda my point. You acknowledge it's your opinion, but also state it like a fact. Or am I misunderstanding your use of "obvious"?

Not sure why you think I'm baiting.

 

[cybrsage]

I wish the mods would look at the PA voter fraud thread......it's amazing that a single troll gets to continue to outright lie an dmake BS assertions, and isn't forced to provide any evidence.

True, but why would you bring attention to your trolling?

 

[cybrsage]

If that's what you see, then clearly your perception is lacking. In my restating the question you have again failed to understand, so I will continue to look for a phrasing that can illuminate and perhaps yield a result.

Why do you refuse to do what you want others to do? If you simply did as you want others do to, and answer your question, it would solve me understanding what you want AND show you are telling others you want them to do something you are unwilling to do yourself.

In the meantime, do you require the restraints and strict guidelines in order to answer an otherwise broad question? Tell me your fears about answering and I'll see what I can do to quell them.

Your question was answered, you just made it so broad you were unhappy that it did not answer the specifics you wanted. Do as you want others to do and it will solve your problem of being unclear.

 

[jackstar7]

It's all right. I don't imagine you'll be forthcoming regardless. There's truly no incentive for you to behave differently than you do.

I'm going to respect CK's wish.

 

[cybrsage]

Sadly, I expected you would actually do what you want others to do. I did not know you were one of those who say others should do things but feel you should not have to do those same things. I expected greater things from you, I am saddened to find out I was wrong.

 

[jackstar7]

Sadly, I expected you would actually do what you want others to do. I did not know you were one of those who say others should do things but feel you should not have to do those same things. I expected greater things from you, I am saddened to find out I was wrong.

No idea what you based those expectations on, but it's really silly that you did. I suppose it is your time to do with as you please. Hope that disappointment works out for you.

And also, it's less than lovely that you continue to mischaracterize me to the last. It's not hard to see how you would grate on so many folks.

But I do believe you've answered my question at long last. And all I got you was sadness. Looks like I come out ahead.

 

[CrackRabbit]

No idea what you based those expectations on, but it's really silly that you did. I suppose it is your time to do with as you please. Hope that disappointment works out for you.

And also, it's less than lovely that you continue to mischaracterize me to the last. It's not hard to see how you would grate on so many folks.

But I do believe you've answered my question at long last. And all I got you was sadness. Looks like I come out ahead.

It may be a while before Parker Lewis there can answer you. Looks like he got a temp ban for mod call out.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

True, but why would you bring attention to your trolling?

Provide proof of trolling...I have posted plenty of links to present my side, you have not.

5 times I have asked for evdince from you showing that voter fraud has changed an election result. 5 times you have ignored me and trolled on.


I mean really, simple google search shows you have trolled various forums for at least 5 years. Do you get some sort of sick pleasure from trying to be ignorant? It's just so odd that someone will work so hard to be ignorant, and somehow feel good about it.

You've trolled for so long, it's obvious you must like it, otherwise you would have stopped. So you must get some kind of sick pleasure to be ignorant and insult others. That just isn't normal social behavior for a functional member of society. Sad really.

 

[Whiskey16]

I mean really, simple google search shows you have trolled various forums for at least 5 years. Do you get some sort of sick pleasure from trying to be ignorant?

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You've trolled for so long, it's obvious you must like it, otherwise you would have stopped. So you must get some kind of sick pleasure to be ignorant and insult others. That just isn't normal social behavior for a functional member of society. Sad really.

When he showed up nearly a year ago, I quickly presented these warnings:

Guys, a warning, this is clearly the same "cybrsage" who has been notorious upon other political forums of tech sites. For his debating amusement, he will continue into ad nauseum of only picking with miniscule semantics ("french fries are vegetables").

With high rates of posting he enjoys messing up a thread with argumentative sidelines rather than recognising (sic) the crux of an issue

Over 600 posts in just over a week? I warned you all about this guy and his horrendous history among other forums over the years.

Overwhelm a thread with repetitively intentional misquotes, misinformation, and strawman arguments all out of a personal jolly to witness forum members get into a huff. Before losing account priviledges in multiple other forums, he has been on public record at least once for explaining a goal of provoking arguments and frustration.

Guys, it's best not to feed him. With more of such posting as above, he will hopefully also do himself in here.

Habyausa Rider, he is not worthy of your time to reason and discuss.

His decade old ill-behaviour is to selectively ignore already posted content while rehashing lost causes that are already rebuffed within the thread, quote out of context, and continue forth with a goal of exercising inane and excessive argumentation all to provoke and disrupt.

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Knowing it to be a lost argument, his method remains that of dishonestly arguing forth with semantically laced willful and disruptive ignorance.

This was among the reasons why he remains banned from the Rage3D Politics & Religion forum;

cybrsage: It started with me making an inflammatory post directed towards a member who said he had put me on ignore, and being told it was inappropriate.

.. Started in a thread, turned into a PM, and I was banned.

Rage3D Moderator: we have had numerous and continuous complaints about your intellectual dishonesty, and your will to turn the mildest of discussions into heated arguments just for the sake of argument. there is a term used to describe someone along the same line of actions.


along with Guru3D (sic nvNews).

Less than 24 hours ago this was evident in the link I provided displaying his current status yesterday under his name as remaining 'Banned'...since changed in less than 24 hours to that of 'newbie'). A cached record of the Google search of the terms 'cybrsage Guru3d (sic nvNews) banned' currently retains yesterdays' account status of cybrsage being "Banned":

By keeping him around, this society has had warning and long suffered the consequences.

 

[monovillage]

When he showed up nearly a year ago, I quickly presented these warnings:

By keeping him around, this society has had warning and long suffered the consequences.

So you follow him around for almost 4 years and post stuff from another forum you claim is his? That's a pretty icky thing imo.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So you follow him around for almost 4 years and post stuff from another forum you claim is his? That's a pretty icky thing imo.

The funny thing the ones in this thread that call cybersage a troll are as bad if not worse. 90% of GarfieldTheCat's post are in response to a cybersage post, it happens so often it more than meets the criteria for stalking.

 

[fskimospy]

The funny thing the ones in this thread that call cybersage a troll are as bad if not worse. 90% of GarfieldTheCat's post are in response to a cybersage post, it happens so often it more than meets the criteria for stalking.

They really aren't anything alike. GarfieldTheCat may have other issues, but responding to someone's trolling, while foolish, is not the same thing as initiating it. Also, arguing that GTC should also be banned or whatever in no way affects if we should get rid of this guy. Cybrsage is easily the most disruptive member of this forum and you know it. You might like his presence because he annoys people who you politically disagree with but you can't possibly have missed the regularity with which he turns threads into pedantic shit shows.

It's simple; people like him should be banned. Removing disruptive members is what banning is for, and any person that behaves as badly as he does should be removed regardless of political affiliation.

 

[Infohawk]

These claims that wider trolling issues need to be addressed would be more credible if people weren't almost exclusively singling out posters who have different or opposite political views. Some of you need to ask yourself whether you would prefer to post on a openly partisan forum.

 

[TechAZ]

The following amendment has been, at least temporarily, enacted:

8/3/12 -- Insults and personal attacks, while permitted, are not to be excessively vitriolic or scatological in nature, nor will any one poster be allowed constantly engage in them. Please let common sense, and some idea of proportion and civility be your guide.

Your substantive comments, respectfully presented, are welcome. But be warned that excessive trolling, thread derailment, etc. will be dealt with.

You haven't the slightest idea on how to proportionately respond to people and have a long history of not being able to. Thanks for passing on guidelines that you yourself are not able to follow through on though.