Who was being sarcastic?
Maddox or the person linking to him?
Either way, Maddox is still a tool.
Originally posted by: pulse8
Who was being sarcastic?
Maddox or the person linking to him?
Either way, Maddox is still a tool.
Both; I really don't think very many people at all condone beating the sh*t out of children, not Maddox, the person who linked him, or even me (for the most part). There's a lot of room between spanking, hot saucing, etc. and abuse.
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: pulse8
Who was being sarcastic?
Maddox or the person linking to him?
Either way, Maddox is still a tool.
Both; I really don't think very many people at all condone beating the sh*t out of children, not Maddox, the person who linked him, or even me (for the most part). There's a lot of room between spanking, hot saucing, etc. and abuse.
Well, obviously. I'm just saying that I'm sure Maddox was dealt physical punishment to some degree growing up (and not just making it up) and that to some degree contributed to him being a tool.
i just skimmed this thread and mostly agree with Ornery's post. one thing i've seen with parents disciplining their children is that they don't explain why what they did is wrong. It's just "NO!" whap whap. The child doesn't understand why they are being punished and will most likely continue to do it because they don't see anything wrong with it whereas a parent will.
Instead of just beating, or scalding, or whatever. Just try explaining why or why not they should do something.
I was never "disciplined"/punished (I don't think discipline=punishment) by a light smack, or "hot-saucing" or anything like that and i've turned out alright. I was more concerned with dissapointing my parents than by any potential consequences.
Instead of just beating, or scalding, or whatever. Just try explaining why or why not they should do something.
I was never "disciplined"/punished (I don't think discipline=punishment) by a light smack, or "hot-saucing" or anything like that and i've turned out alright. I was more concerned with dissapointing my parents than by any potential consequences.
Ornery
i admire your consistency and overall, i'm raising my kids very similarly to the way you raised yours, however, i have spanked my kids and i won't rule it out as a tool or form of discipline. it is by no means my only or favorite means of discipline.
however, most of the people that post that are opposed to spanking don't come anywhere near to where you are ornery and people who don't have the discipline and energy to do things like you do end up spoiling their kids more often than not.
i know too many parents who just use "montessori and no spanking methods of discipline" just because they can't say "NO".
i am more than sure that their kids would have benefited wayy more from a few spankings than all the wasted efforts these parents made at "discipline".
i admire your consistency and overall, i'm raising my kids very similarly to the way you raised yours, however, i have spanked my kids and i won't rule it out as a tool or form of discipline. it is by no means my only or favorite means of discipline.
however, most of the people that post that are opposed to spanking don't come anywhere near to where you are ornery and people who don't have the discipline and energy to do things like you do end up spoiling their kids more often than not.
i know too many parents who just use "montessori and no spanking methods of discipline" just because they can't say "NO".
i am more than sure that their kids would have benefited wayy more from a few spankings than all the wasted efforts these parents made at "discipline".
They're children, not dogs. They knew full well what they did was wrong, and unless they're really young they know WHY it was wrong as well. And if they ARE very young, you can try explaining all you want the reasoning behind morality, but they're not going to understand until they're older.
And if the child *enjoys* the flavor? A drop is tiny...lol...I mean, even a drop of Dave's Insanity Sauce doesn't have much effect on me...I like spicy.
not fair since some kids have higher tolerance to spicy things. parents need to stop pussyfooting and just spank the kids already.
I know EXACTLY what you mean, Johann. I've run across too many parents like that. Parents range from one extreme to the other, and most seem to have a pretty tuff and confusing time of it. Bottom line is, you have to learn how to raise kids, and most do from their parents, and on the fly. You'll do nothing in your life more important than raising children, yet it's not required learning anywhere!
I agree with Ornery.
I remember stepping in dog poop when I was about 4 years old. I started crying. Mom asked me what was wrong, and I innocently said, "I stepped in sh!t!".
My mom was getting all huffy and was going to punish me for saying a 'bad word', and to this day I remember my dad stepping in and saying, "But Irene, that's what it IS!"
I remember his understanding and compassion in my time of distress more than I remember any physical punishment my parents tried to impose on me.
I'm raising my kids with as little spanking as possible... in fact, the youngest at 5 is way past ever needing a swat for any reason. I used it a very few times and only during the brief period of time when my kids were toddling maniacs. Most of the time, what they really needed was a NAP and the reason they were going nuts was because our grown-up schedules kept them from much needed routine.
I would never, ever use hot sauce as a punishment. That seems incredibly twisted to me.
<---undergraduate work focused on human development, learning, motivation, and behavior modifcation
I remember stepping in dog poop when I was about 4 years old. I started crying. Mom asked me what was wrong, and I innocently said, "I stepped in sh!t!".
My mom was getting all huffy and was going to punish me for saying a 'bad word', and to this day I remember my dad stepping in and saying, "But Irene, that's what it IS!"
I remember his understanding and compassion in my time of distress more than I remember any physical punishment my parents tried to impose on me.
I'm raising my kids with as little spanking as possible... in fact, the youngest at 5 is way past ever needing a swat for any reason. I used it a very few times and only during the brief period of time when my kids were toddling maniacs. Most of the time, what they really needed was a NAP and the reason they were going nuts was because our grown-up schedules kept them from much needed routine.
I would never, ever use hot sauce as a punishment. That seems incredibly twisted to me.
<---undergraduate work focused on human development, learning, motivation, and behavior modifcation
Originally posted by: Ornery
I know EXACTLY what you mean, Johann. I've run across too many parents like that. Parents range from one extreme to the other, and most seem to have a pretty tuff and confusing time of it. Bottom line is, you have to learn how to raise kids, and most do from their parents, and on the fly. You'll do nothing in your life more important than raising children, yet it's not required learning anywhere!
agreed.
i spend a lot of time educating myself about my kids needs. for me, some things do happen do to convenience and not necessarily what is 100% best for kids.
but i can tell you right now, i've seen parents do a lot worse, also, i'm usually aware of the compromises i make, i don't get to spend as much time with my kids as i'd like because i started my own business 3 yrs ago.
but one thing is definite, my kids and i have a good relationship, we communicate and they understand, there are definite limits to what they can and cannot do.
too many parents get caught up in catch phrase or trendy child rearing, the classic is the "time out", the most abused form of child discipline i've ever seen.
we were at a friends place and their 3 yr old (about 4 months younger than my youngest) bit my youngest finger and HARD. their response was to put him in the bathroom for a timeout without adequate explanation of what is and is not acceptable. during our 2 hour stay there, he went into that bathroom about 10 different times for about 5 minutes a piece. what a colossal waste of effort and time. the child had no sense that a change of behavior or that limits to his behavior existed at all.
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My parents did the hot sauce thing to me, and the opposite happened. Now an an adult, I have a very low tolerance for spicy/hot foods, and very much a preference for bland stuff. Even when I tell myself it's all in my head, I'm incapible of liking the taste, nor being able to withstand the "hotness".
Frankly, I rather they'd spanked me; the mental effects would seem to be less permanent.
Put them up in a row, ALL of them, the spankers and the hot saucers and give me while with machinegun.
NO kid deserves physidal punishment, EVER.
Stupid parents deserve stupid kids, go on and keep hitting them and watch them turn out as stupid as you are.
MY kids are polite and well aware of when it is time to be rowdy and when it is time to be calm, i do not need to spank them, never did, i use my voice, sometimes i did have to take the time to explain to them WHY, i guess some parents don't want to take the time to do that with their kids and prefer hitting them.
It is stupid to think that it will teach them anything but pain and disrespect for their elders.
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