Disappointed in the Canadian Gov right now

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Jimmah

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2011/06/24/pol-harper-asbestos.html

Canada won the fight, for at least another two years, to keep asbestos off an international list of hazardous chemicals as discussions wrapped up in Geneva on Friday.

The conference of participants to the Rotterdam Convention ended without agreement on whether to add chrysotile asbestos to the Annex 3 list.

The country was one of only a handful — and the only western country — to maintain its objection until the end of the week, denying the conference the consensus it needed to make the change.

"Chrysotile now goes before [the next meeting] in 2013," UN Environment Programmr spokesman Michael Stanley-Jones said in an email.

Conservative cabinet ministers in Ottawa insisted the lung-cancer-causing substance can be used safely.

The Rotterdam Convention meeting, held every two years, wrapped up as Prime Minister Stephen Harper spent part of Friday in the last riding in the country with a working asbestos mine.

Harper spoke at a barbecue in Thetford Mines, Que., home to a chrysotile asbestos mine that exports to India.

But he didn't address a growing controversy over Canada's refusal to let asbestos be listed, a move that would have allowed countries like India, where companies import the material for construction, to deny it entry if officials don't think they can properly handle it.

Thetford Mines is in the riding of Industry Minister Christian Paradis, who has been dodging questions about the international meeting for almost two weeks.

Opposition MPs slammed the Harper government Thursday over Canada's opposition to putting chrysotile on the list.

"Asbestos is the greatest industrial killer the world has ever known. More people die from asbestos than all industrial causes combined, yet Canada continues to be one of the largest producers and exporters in the world. We are exporting human misery on a monumental scale," said NDP MP Pat Martin. "Our position is morally and ethically reprehensible."

Liberal MP Marc Garneau said despite Paradis' insistence that asbestos can be used safely, he should know that's not the case in developing countries.

"This minister knows full well that it's very difficult to use chrysotile in the proper working conditions. The procedures, the training, the complex equipment to use it in a safe way so that fibres aren't accidentally breathed in," Garneau said. "He cannot assure us that this is not being used improperly in countries that import it, Third World countries … This is willful blindness."

But Paradis returned to the response he and Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver have been offering since the Rotterdam Convention meetings started in Geneva earlier this week.

"We know that recent studies show that chrysotile can be used in a safe and controlled manner," Paradis said. "This is risk management, so we know that chrysotile can be used safely in a controlled environment."

Delegates at the Rotterdam Convention meetings, where decisions are made by consensus, seemed close Wednesday to putting chrysotile asbestos on the list when Canada spoke up. Canadian delegates hadn't objected over the first few days of meetings.

Canada is the only G8 country objecting to the listing. Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan and Ukraine continued their objections Thursday as the parties headed into a breakout session to try to work through some of the objections. Vietnam had also raised an objection, but missed a followup meeting on the issue, said Stanley-Jones.

David Sproule, the head of Canada's delegation, told participants that "Canada is not in a position to agree to the listing of chrysotile asbestos in Annex 3 at this conference of the parties," Stanley-Jones said.

India is a major buyer of Canadian asbestos, but this week dropped a longstanding objection to the listing.



I am really disappointed in our government right now. Really, what good does keeping this stuff off a hazardous list really do other than show how our big C conservatives once again put money over responsibility. Yes, it is the main industry in a few places (there is even a town in Quebec called Asbestos) and these places would likely not exist without this dangerous chemical, I just wonder how the people pushing this stuff sleep at night.

I think someone needs to send a little asbestos to every minister and MP who supported this.
 

Craig234

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Good for you for supporting what's right. It sure sounds familiar. It's the same old issue, the need to educate the public and for them to vote out the corrupt.

And the same problem that those who stand to make money by a bad policy are much more politically organized to push their agenda.

I think it's good for citizens to choose to budget money for 'good government', that they greatly resent having to donate to good policy groups, but without it...
 

yllus

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I've heard about this but don't know much about asbestos. Can it really be used safely? Is the issue what Mr. Garneau said, that third world nations are sloppy in their use of it?
 

novasatori

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The whole thing seems messed up, and that daily show video really makes it look even worse.
 

Jimmah

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I've heard about this but don't know much about asbestos. Can it really be used safely? Is the issue what Mr. Garneau said, that third world nations are sloppy in their use of it?

http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/episode/2011/06/27/asbestos-in-the-family/

Listen to this if you have time, it is an interview outlining how dangerous this stuff really is by someone who specializes in asbestos-related cancer. Also somewhere else on the CBC podcasts site there is an interview with elderly twins one of whom has asbestos-related cancer, she was exposed by the particles on her father left over form working in an asbestos plant or facility.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/asbestos

People may be exposed to asbestos in their workplace, their communities, or their homes. If products containing asbestos are disturbed, tiny asbestos fibers are released into the air. When asbestos fibers are breathed in, they may get trapped in the lungs and remain there for a long time. Over time, these fibers can accumulate and cause scarring and inflammation, which can affect breathing and lead to serious health problems (6).

Asbestos has been classified as a known human carcinogen (a substance that causes cancer) by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the EPA, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer (2, 3, 7, 8). Studies have shown that exposure to asbestos may increase the risk of lung cancer and mesothelioma (a relatively rare cancer of the thin membranes that line the chest and abdomen). Although rare, mesothelioma is the most common form of cancer associated with asbestos exposure. In addition to lung cancer and mesothelioma, some studies have suggested an association between asbestos exposure and gastrointestinal and colorectal cancers, as well as an elevated risk for cancers of the throat, kidney, esophagus, and gallbladder (3, 4). However, the evidence is inconclusive.

Asbestos exposure may also increase the risk of asbestosis (an inflammatory condition affecting the lungs that can cause shortness of breath, coughing, and permanent lung damage) and other nonmalignant lung and pleural disorders, including pleural plaques (changes in the membranes surrounding the lung), pleural thickening, and benign pleural effusions (abnormal collections of fluid between the thin layers of tissue lining the lungs and the wall of the chest cavity). Although pleural plaques are not precursors to lung cancer, evidence suggests that people with pleural disease caused by exposure to asbestos may be at increased risk for lung cance



It doesn't seem to take much exposure to harm you, even one fibre will cause scarring and inflammation in your lungs which can lead to cancer or other problems. Imagine working in a facility which works with this stuff, one accidental exposed breath, from say your mask's seal breaking somehow, and you could potentially get cancer later in life. Scary stuff.
Worse yet, the workers in other places like India or in Africa don't know about the dangers because we fucking say it's safe and have entire fucking divisions advocating on it's behalf. Talk about selling your soul for a buck.
 
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