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DirectX trouble, D3D is garbled, HELP!

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Filhor

Junior Member
Hi,

I have been going through hell trying to solve this problem. The symptoms of my problem are that Direct3D (D3D) graphics are garbled. There are polygons flying all over. This is apparent in any D3D game, and also in the DxDiag D3D test. On this same hardware (except for power supply, which I replaced recently after my previous stopped working) D3D games would work fine. BTW, OpenGL games such as Quake 3 and Return to Wolfenstein work fine.

First let me tell you about my system
Abit KT7-RAID "64" BIOS
AMD Athlon 900MHz
256MB Mushkin PC133 Rev. 2
ASUS V-7700 Pure GeForce2 GTS 32MB
SBLive! Value
Creative PC-DVD Dxr2 Decoder
3COM Etherlink III PCI Bus Master 3C590
Adaptec 2940 SCSI-2 PCI Controller
PC Power&Cooling Silencer 400ATX power supply
GlobalWin FOP38 with Sanyo-Denki PICO ACE 25

Win98SE (4.10, Build 2222) A
DirectX 8.1 (4.08.01.0881)
ASUS V7700 6.33 video driver (latest "official") 800x600 100Hz 16bit color
VIA 4.37V 4-in-1 driver
Highpoint driver 1.11.0512 (to match 1.11.042 embedded in BIOS)

I have tried many things to remedy the situation and none have affected the symptoms displayed in D3D games (such as my longtime favorite Viper Racing) and in the DxDiag test.

tried latest nVidia Detonator driver (23.11)
tried latest ASUS beta driver (14.62a)
removed all other cards in motherboard in case of IRQ conflicts
removed memory sticks, rearranged memory in slots

replaced video card with VisionTek GeForce2 Ti 200
replaced motherboard with ASUS A7A266

did completely clean install of Win98SE on formatted HD
disabled HPT370 RAID controller
disabled USB
set BIOS to "failsafe" defaults

set BIOS to the recommendations of many people (AGP Multiplier 4x, fastwrite enable, video bios cache disable, video ram cache disable, plug & play OS no, AGP Master 1 WS write/read enable, P2C Concurrency enable, video palette snoop enable, delay transaction disable, PCI Master timeout 0, PCI Master read cache disable)

adjust IO voltage from 3.3V down to 3.2V (lowest possible on MB) and up to 3.5V
unplugged any components not needed (in case of power issues)

None of these made any difference. Please help me with this problem, it is consuming me on my vacation, and I have so many games I have been waiting to play that I now cannot.

Thanks,

Aubrey
rhys@mit.edu
 
Wow. This deserves a bump.:Q
It appears that you have covered all the bases.
Have you tried going back to DirectX7 ?
Have you tried "Disabling" the SB16 emulation device in Device manager?
I am having some DirectX trouble with my ASUS V8200 and it helped to turn off the ASUS SMartDoctor monitoring utility. So, if by some chance, you are running any hardware monitoring utilities, you may try turning them off. I've had trouble in the past with a version of MBM. But it sounds like your trouble is more like a magnetic distortion field has settled around your house or some other freaky star-trek thing...🙁
Don't these sort of things just drive you INSANE? 😕
It consumes my every thought when I have a problem like this and I cant rest until it is resolved. It caught my eye that you mentioned Viper Racing. I like that old game, too bad they dont keep developing new versions for the good games. That game really had a LOT of potential. My problem is in Nascar Heat.

Please post a message in this thread if you get it fixed.
Rhinohide
 
I tried going back to directx 8.0a, then back to 7.1, then abck to 6.1a with no success. SB16 emulation has been disabled, but I have tried it with the sound card completely removed and it does the same thing. I am going to try another motherboard and see if it makes a difference. I did a fresh install on my old motherboard, but not with the new motherboard, so that might make a difference.

Thanks for you attention and help, I really appreciate it.

Aubrey
 

One more thing to try that I found last night...🙂

I read in the Leadtek and the Hercules technical support areas that you should make sure that no other devices are sharing the same interupt as the video card. Except for a "PCI Steering" IRQ holder.
Here is the link to the support article:
http://us.hercules.com/support/readtechnote.php3?id=49
There is some other info in that as well, and they have some other FAQ's to check out.
Go here: http://us.hercules.com/support/index.php3
Then picka card from the drop-down and look at the FAQ's for it.

I was able to get mine working in Nascar Heat by going back to Detonator 12.90 and DirectX 7.0A
However, I'm pretty disgusted with it. I can't run SmartDoctor (not so smart NOW, is it? :| ) and I cant run a DX8 game.

Good luck to you, please post if you figure it out. I am subscribed to this.
 
bumping it up, this is still driving me crazy. Thinking it might be heat related I tried to solve any thermal issues:

plugged cpu fan into power supply
replaced power supply (PC Power & Cooling Silencer 400) with Antec 350W

did a fresh install of Win98SE with a new motherboard (Gigabyte GA-7ZXE) and a new graphics card (eVGA Geforce2 MX 200)
Swapped out ram sticks

replaced ASUS GeForce2 GTS GPU stock cooler with ThermalTake Crystal Orb
relaced stock Abit KT7-RAID northbridge cooler with Vantec ball bearing unit
added heatsinks for HPT370 chip and southbridge
replaced all thermal interface materials with Arctic Silver

So I have replaced the graphics board, motherboard, and power supply and have had no luck, DXDiag still shoes garbled polygons when I test D3D. It does this in both Windows 98SE and Windows 2000 SP2. The computer works fine except for any game that uses Direct3D (which is many of them). OpenGL works fine (Return to Castle Wolfenstein).

I have replaced or removed everything except the processor and memory (and I have swapped out the memory sticks, hard to believe both would be bad). I am feeling stuck and I am wondering if this is a basic problem with nVidia and DirectX? I don't know what to replace anymore. Is this a common problem? I would think many would have noticed it if so, and I haven't seen anything on the boards to indicate this.

Nothing I have done has made any difference. Your help with this is appreciated. What could I try next?

Thanks,

Aubrey Williams
rhys@mit.edu
 
just a thought dirextx8.1 can't be uninstalled did you reformat to go back to 7.0 or 8.0a?
if not then they ran but did not install(i know you probably know yhis but you didn't mention a reinstall of 98 before going back to older versions.)also in reinstalling 98se you will want to fdisk/mbr 3 times to clear out junk andavoid trouble during reinstall.

hope this helps sorry if i wasted your time


mike
 
There are a few programs that can uninstall directx, DirectX Buster, and DirectX Uninstaller. I tried these then installed previous versions of DirectX, with the same results.

When I reinstalled 98SE I did it on a formatted drive then installed the OS. The OS comes with DirectX 6.0, which gave the same results. Do you think this is an insufficiently clean install?

Why do you say I should fdisk/mbr (what's mbr?) 3 times before I format and install? What could be left over?
 
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