DirectX 9.L will be a DirectX 10 for Windows XP

[apoppin]

correction:
DirectX 9.0 L works on Vista only
--------------------------------

DirectX 9.0 L is simply a renamed and refurbished DirectX 10 for Windows XP. It will make DirectX 10 games to work on Windows XP.

...games such as the upcoming Crysis won't work on the existing DirectX 9.0 c. they need a DirectX 9.0 L

One of the biggest issues is the fact that Nvidia or ATI won't have any mainstream or entry-level cards until at least mid- to end of Q1 2007. This suggests that if Vista tips up around the beginning of the year, gamers will be turned off by it.

Electronic Arts, the publisher of Crysis, wants to sell hundreds or thousands, even millions of copies and we doubt that Nvidia can produce and sell that many Geforce 8800 GTX and GTS cards.

It will be interesting to see whether the Windows XP Crysis will be different from the Vista ones.

makes sense

UPDATE:

that incrysis forum is interesting:

http://www.incrysis.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=8534#p8534

Yes, DX 9L is going to run on XP. Cevat Yerli talks about its advantages in the Edge magazine article

look at Doc's photocopy of the crysis interview [posted 2006-06-24 12:05:09]

"Crysis is not Vista exclusive. It supports DX9 and Shader Model 2.0 for XP and up to DX10 and Shader Model 4.0 for XP because DX10 won't be on XP. But there is DX9.L which will be the counterpoint of DX10 in XP."

 

[Noema]

Won't believe it until it comes straight from the horse's mouth (ie MS).

 

[letdown427]

R

(My failed R )

Edited for accuracy.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Noema
Won't believe it until it comes straight from the horse's mouth (ie MS).

they are pretty confused themselves and hypeing the hell outta Vista to straighten anything out
:roll:

we DO know there IS supposed to be a DX9L
. . . as i understood it - it was supposed to 'emulate' earlier DXes.

it makes sense that there would be 'something' for "dx10" games to run on XP . . . or they would be dead-in-the-water waiting for Vista's eventual success.

 

[letdown427]

Originally posted by: apoppin
it makes sense that there would be 'something' for "dx10" games to run on XP . . . or they would be dead-in-the-water waiting for Vista's eventual success.

Plus it would give them something to say:

"Look, Vista gives vastly improved frame rates over XP! Upgrade now!"

As at the moment, XP beats it by 15-20% in everything (well, except Serious Sam 2 it seems[although you probably know that, as you clearly read the inq too ])

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: letdown427
R
[edited to be nice]

no it's not a "repost" here . . . many of the guys here never visit SW/games . . . and possiblities of DX10 for XP games has been discussed to death here . . .

this is simply an Update for Video.
:thumbsup:

 

[letdown427]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: letdown427
R

(My first R )

hopefully it's your LAST . . . 'repost nazis' suck - especially when they are wrong
:thumbsdown:

no it's not a "repost" here . . . many of the guys here never visit SW/games . . . and possiblities of DX10 for XP has been discussed to death here . . .

this is simply an Update.
:thumbsup:

Thanks for adding politeness ++ with the edit, I fixed my post anyway

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: letdown427

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: letdown427
R


no it's not a "repost" here . . . many of the guys here never visit SW/games . . . and possiblities of DX10 for XP has been discussed to death here . . .

this is simply an Update.
:thumbsup:

Thanks for adding politeness ++ with the edit, I fixed my post anyway

and thank you for editing . . . i edited my edit for even more politeness

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: letdown427

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: letdown427
R

edited

no it's not a "repost" here . . . many of the guys here never visit SW/games . . . and possiblities of DX10 for XP has been discussed to death here . . .

this is simply an Update.
:thumbsup:

Thanks for adding politeness ++ with the edit, I fixed my post anyway

oops
dp

 

[letdown427]

Originally posted by: apoppin
and thank you for editing . . . i edited my edit for even more politeness

*Head explodes

:beer:

Anyway, OT, if 9.0L lets 'the great unwashed' play DX10 games on XP, then Microsoft will be able to trumpet the performance gains of playing the same games on Vista, and hopefully hide the fact that Vista massacres performance with current games.

Weren't they trying to flog Vista as a bit of a super gaming experience at some point?

 

[apoppin]

yes they were . . . but Vista is dog-slow compared to XP in current games . . .

Vista looks to be actually 'ready' in a year or two - for gaming . . . when full DX10 games actually come out.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: letdown427

Originally posted by: apoppin
and thank you for editing . . . i edited my edit for even more politeness

*Head explodes

:beer:

Anyway, OT, if 9.0L lets 'the great unwashed' play DX10 games on XP, then Microsoft will be able to trumpet the performance gains of playing the same games on Vista, and hopefully hide the fact that Vista massacres performance with current games.

Weren't they trying to flog Vista as a bit of a super gaming experience at some point?

That's what's got me confused. I think they just figured Vista would be a bit further along by now. When I tested Vista RC1 in games, it was definitely consistently slower (or incompatible with OpenGL games). RC1 only came out about a month ago!

I haven't had a chance to test out RC2 (one bug I found was already fixed -- hibernate mode no longer causes a BSOD for me ).

It's going to be awhile before I would use Vista on my main righ, though. Not only is it riddled with small bugs, but the gaming performance just isn't there and neither is gaming compatibility as others have said. And this "DX 9.0L", if true, would be the icing on the cake.

The early estimates by everyone that you should wait until service pack 1 is probably going to hold true. Vista has some neat eye candy but just isn't rock solid yet.

 

[Schadenfroh]

By Fuad of TheInquirer

Lies! ALL LIES!!!!!

 

[letdown427]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
this "DX 9.0L", if true, would be the icing on the cake.

My fingers are crossed they let Windows 2000 users use it, I really want Crysis!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: letdown427

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
this "DX 9.0L", if true, would be the icing on the cake.

My fingers are crossed they let Windows 2000 users use it, I really want Crysis!

so far, i don't believe there is a single game that will run on XP that will not run on 2K

and Crysis is developed for XP . . . with a little 'dx10 bone' tossed in for the Vista owners . . . Crysis will become more dx10-like in patches . . . after a year after release IF the HW base is large enough.

i wouldn't bother with Vista for gaming for at least a year.
[although i will dual-boot with it on my new rig]

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

By Fuad of TheInquirer

Lies! ALL LIES!!!!!

Liar.

I will take Fuad everyday over Ashlee "Bleeding Heart" Vance at The Register.

 

[letdown427]

Originally posted by: apoppin
so far, i don't believe there is a single game that will run on XP that will not run on 2K

Hence me saying 'let'. Yes it would run, but whether they let it run are entirely different.

Like the 64-bit content upgrade for Far Cry. Works fine on 2k, but they wouldn't let you install it. You had to be sneaky.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: letdown427

Originally posted by: apoppin
so far, i don't believe there is a single game that will run on XP that will not run on 2K

Hence me saying 'let'. Yes it would run, but whether they let it run are entirely different.

Like the 64-bit content upgrade for Far Cry. Works fine on 2k, but they wouldn't let you install it. You had to be sneaky.

the FC devs NEVER could create an "anytime save" for FC - even though they promised it . . . don't worry . . . someone more talented will 'hack' it if 'they' don't "let" you.

:Q



i don't think crysis will be much more than buggy eyecandy . . . for at least a year

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: letdown427

Originally posted by: apoppin
so far, i don't believe there is a single game that will run on XP that will not run on 2K

Hence me saying 'let'. Yes it would run, but whether they let it run are entirely different.

Like the 64-bit content upgrade for Far Cry. Works fine on 2k, but they wouldn't let you install it. You had to be sneaky.

the FC devs NEVER could create an "anytime save" for FC - even though they promised it . . . don't worry . . . someone more talented will 'hack' it if 'they' don't "let" you.

Or a working version with HDR for ATI cards, or HDR that isn't broken.

Honestly, I'm looking forward to Crysis, but w-tee-eff. They better do a good job of patching and living up to promises this time.

Far Cry patch 1.4 never came and when it did, it didn't include any of the features it was supposed to (working HDR for ATI, fixed HDR bugs, of which there are plenty, etc). Instead ATI users get 1.4 beta with broken ammo counter + buggy HDR, and Nvidia users get version 1.33 "leet" which works but also has very buggy HDR (which sometimes draws pink lines across the screen, annoyed the sh!t out of me on my old 7800GT).

True, it's still one of the prettiest games today, and they went from SM 2.0 support to SM 3.0 support with HDR, so they get bonus points there. But they have proven they don't (or didn't) have the resources to pump out consistently stable patches like larger devs, like id, Valve, etc.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: letdown427

Originally posted by: apoppin
so far, i don't believe there is a single game that will run on XP that will not run on 2K

Hence me saying 'let'. Yes it would run, but whether they let it run are entirely different.

Like the 64-bit content upgrade for Far Cry. Works fine on 2k, but they wouldn't let you install it. You had to be sneaky.

the FC devs NEVER could create an "anytime save" for FC - even though they promised it . . . don't worry . . . someone more talented will 'hack' it if 'they' don't "let" you.

Or a working version with HDR for ATI cards, or HDR that isn't broken.

Honestly, I'm looking forward to Crysis, but w-tee-eff. They better do a good job of patching and living up to promises this time.

Far Cry patch 1.4 never came and when it did, it didn't include any of the features it was supposed to (working HDR for ATI, fixed HDR bugs, of which there are plenty, etc). Instead ATI users get 1.4 beta with broken ammo counter + buggy HDR, and Nvidia users get version 1.33 "leet" which works but also has very buggy HDR (which sometimes draws pink lines across the screen, annoyed the sh!t out of me on my old 7800GT).

True, it's still one of the prettiest games today, and they went from SM 2.0 support to SM 3.0 support with HDR, so they get bonus points there. But they have proven they don't (or didn't) have the resources to pump out consistently stable patches like larger devs, like id, Valve, etc.

The game was bastardized shortly after its release. They could have put out patches easily, but they didn't. Far Cry didn't get promoted as well as they thought and because the actually userbase was smaller, they probably didn't put many resources to patch fixing. Whether this is right or wrong, I can't comment.

I fully expect Crysis to do much better because it has received a lot more PR. Gamers know who they are are, they know of the game... They were a big deal at E3 and are a current spotlight on Fileplanet and gamer sites alike. Again, I fully expect them to have much better support with their new release.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: apoppin
DirectX 9.0 L is simply a renamed and refurbished DirectX 10 for Windows XP. It will make DirectX 10 games to work on Windows XP.

...games such as the upcoming Crysis won't work on the existing DirectX 9.0 c. they need a DirectX 9.0 L

One of the biggest issues is the fact that Nvidia or ATI won't have any mainstream or entry-level cards until at least mid- to end of Q1 2007. This suggests that if Vista tips up around the beginning of the year, gamers will be turned off by it.

Electronic Arts, the publisher of Crysis, wants to sell hundreds or thousands, even millions of copies and we doubt that Nvidia can produce and sell that many Geforce 8800 GTX and GTS cards.

It will be interesting to see whether the Windows XP Crysis will be different from the Vista ones.

makes sense

My god. Trust Fraud to grab the wrong end of the wrong stick.
DirectX9.L
DirectX10
from here

 

[imported_RedStar]

I do not know why people continue to cite the inquirer as a credible source for tech info.

Combine this with all the comments about no "full" dx10 support for another 2-3 years from a certain individual, from this forum, and this thread's existence makes no sense at all.

dx9L is vista's compatibility layer for dx9 games.

So yes, you will be able to play directX10 games on XP --in dx9 mode.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: RedStar
I do not know why people continue to cite the inquirer as a credible source for tech info.

Combine this with all the comments about no "full" dx10 support for another 2-3 years from a certain individual, from this forum, and this thread's existance makes no sense at all.

dx9L is vista's compatibility layer for dx9 games.

So yes, you will be able to play directX10 games on XP --in dx9 mode.

Yeah the L is for legacy

 

[coolpurplefan]

I just want to say to Varun who sent me a private message but does not allow private messages for his own account the following...
yes, I have. They told me I was late in sending my rebate form. I sent it like two days after receiving it with the RAM. But, I acknowledge it was by regular mail. It would have cost me too much to send it registered to the US. I will hate them forever. That's it for that and them for that matter. I prefer anitec.ca, canadacomputers ,shoprbc and cancomputer.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: RedStar
I do not know why people continue to cite the inquirer as a credible source for tech info.

Combine this with all the comments about no "full" dx10 support for another 2-3 years from a certain individual, from this forum, and this thread's existence makes no sense at all.

dx9L is vista's compatibility layer for dx9 games.

So yes, you will be able to play directX10 games on XP --in dx9 mode.

so what is posted wrong? . . . and what do the facts that Vista ships with DX9 on the desktop and 'full dx10' games are a couple of years off have to do with this threads existance?


dx9L is vista's compatibility layer for dx9 games.check

So yes, you will be able to play directX10 games on XP --in dx9 mode.check

you guys are ridiculing BUT we do know that DX9c is not the final version of it . . . it may not even be the 'L' [legacy] version

MS isn't financial suicide . . they never have been . . . they realize that gamers need to be able to play the new games on the old OS. . . .
FACT: Crysis will not be a 'Vista only' game . . . it is a DX9 game with DX10 features that will be enhanced in patches.