DirectX 10... When?

[foolfromhell]

I am looking for a new computer. Could someone please tell me when DX10 cards will come? I need a computer, but wanted DX10. thanks

 

[potato28]

October to January.

 

[foolfromhell]

And Vista? Oct too?

 

[NuAlphaMan]

Vista may be January as well. It comes out for businesses in November, unless there is another delay.

 

[bob4432]

form what i have read dx10 will not be backward comp with xp, so there would be no reason to put it out before vista, and the reason being is that it is so much a part of vista.

 

[imported_RedStar]

but many already have vista rc1.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: RedStar
but many already have vista rc1.

m$ keeps pushing back vista, and nobody really needs it, it is not like it is going to take over the corporate world since they just probably moved to xp. it will be in new pcs, but game makers and others probably won't even use the features dx10 has due to the small installed user base. i definately wouldn't hold my breathe...

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: RedStar
but many already have vista rc1.

m$ keeps pushing back vista, and nobody really needs it

If it lives up to it's new and improved security hype, then everybody needs it.

 

[Boyo]

I think it depends on when Microsoft gets their act together and releases Vista to the public in Q2 of 2007....

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: RedStar
but many already have vista rc1.

m$ keeps pushing back vista, and nobody really needs it

If it lives up to it's new and improved security hype, then everybody needs it.

if being the key word.

 

[Schadenfroh]

I thought that DX 10 was exclusive to vista?

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
I thought that DX 10 was exclusive to vista?

it is

 

[OOBradm]

*bump* anyone have any more details on when DX10 is due out?

EDIT:
and if DX10 is exclusive to Vista, does this mean that DX9 is the last DX version for win XP?

 

[dBTelos]

DX10 should be out shortly after Vista is released. Who knows when that is....

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: OOBradm
*bump* anyone have any more details on when DX10 is due out?

EDIT:
and if DX10 is exclusive to Vista, does this mean that DX9 is the last DX version for win XP?

yep - from what i have read dx10 will not and can not be backward compatible with anything less than vista.

don't forget that they keep upgradind dx9 all the time, even though it is still 9.0c - go to the dx9 site on ms and you see nearly monthly updates

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
I thought that DX 10 was exclusive to vista?

it is

This is Marketing Hype.... Trying to Bullshit people into buying...

DX has always been upgradeable. Windows 2000 is able to Run DX9 And to Leave Millions of paid Users hanging on DX functionality would be Brand Suicide.....

Microsoft is in a 98% profit buisness model that has most of the world addicted to their software, that is why their anti-piracy is a joke..... They simply want Fat and Happy addicts...

I have run Linux, and OS-X (Tiger) and MS knows they are not the only game in town.....

it all boils down to If there is a will there is a way !!

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Mr Fox
This is Marketing Hype.... Trying to Bullshit people into buying...

DX has always been upgradeable. Windows 2000 is able to Run DX9 And to Leave Millions of paid Users hanging on DX functionality would be Brand Suicide.....

Microsoft is in a 98% profit buisness model that has most of the world addicted to their software, that is why their anti-piracy is a joke..... They simply want Fat and Happy addicts...

I have run Linux, and OS-X (Tiger) and MS knows they are not the only game in town.....

it all boils down to If there is a will there is a way !!

It normally is just marketing, but DX10 isn't. The changes are deep, starting with Vista's LDDM. That is just one reason DX10 won't operate under XP.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Mr Fox

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
I thought that DX 10 was exclusive to vista?

it is

This is Marketing Hype.... Trying to Bullshit people into buying...

DX has always been upgradeable. Windows 2000 is able to Run DX9 And to Leave Millions of paid Users hanging on DX functionality would be Brand Suicide.....

Microsoft is in a 98% profit buisness model that has most of the world addicted to their software, that is why their anti-piracy is a joke..... They simply want Fat and Happy addicts...

I have run Linux, and OS-X (Tiger) and MS knows they are not the only game in town.....

it all boils down to If there is a will there is a way !!

Does DX9 run on NT or Win95 or Win98 for that matter?

It isnt always upgradeable and it wont be in this instance either. Too many changes under the hood that makes it incompatible with WinXP.

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Mr Fox
This is Marketing Hype.... Trying to Bullshit people into buying...

DX has always been upgradeable. Windows 2000 is able to Run DX9 And to Leave Millions of paid Users hanging on DX functionality would be Brand Suicide.....

Microsoft is in a 98% profit buisness model that has most of the world addicted to their software, that is why their anti-piracy is a joke..... They simply want Fat and Happy addicts...

I have run Linux, and OS-X (Tiger) and MS knows they are not the only game in town.....

it all boils down to If there is a will there is a way !!

It normally is just marketing, but DX10 isn't. The changes are deep, starting with Vista's LDDM. That is just one reason DX10 won't operate under XP.

Then I predict Vista will be like "MS Bob" the Flop that was Project Managed by Melinda French Gates......... (Circa 1995) Good thing she was sleeping with the boss !!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob

Between the "Palladium Initiative" DRM and this... Issue.... It will Flop Like a Mackrell in the boat.......

LDDM (Longhorn Display Driver Model) is only a factor if the Functionality is embraced by the Software Developers, and that Curve is about 3-4 years behind the Actual Implementation. "The Animation", and "Glass" Effects may or may not be adopted by the Software Developers.

If the Developers don't use it... you are screwed.... so as with anything else...The Market will dictate the future.....

The other components that enable this functionality will be put into a service pack update....but they would be foolish to announce that now... This Operating system is simply an enhanced NT Kernel as is XP.

 

[Noema]

It will be a while until the bulk of games is released with DX10 only though, besides MS games (like Halo 2 though).

Crysis, for example, will be (I believe) the first DX10 game, but it will also include a DX9 mode to play in XP.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Does DX9 run on NT or Win95 or Win98 for that matter?

It isnt always upgradeable and it wont be in this instance either. Too many changes under the hood that makes it incompatible with WinXP.

DX 8.1 - which shipped with XP IIRC - ran fine under win98 SE (I had it). I don't think 9 did though but then heck who would even bother trying? Point is that the DX version that came with the newest OS at the time still worked with the older one. Sounds like DX10 might be totally different though.

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Mr Fox

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
I thought that DX 10 was exclusive to vista?

it is

This is Marketing Hype.... Trying to Bullshit people into buying...

DX has always been upgradeable. Windows 2000 is able to Run DX9 And to Leave Millions of paid Users hanging on DX functionality would be Brand Suicide.....

Microsoft is in a 98% profit buisness model that has most of the world addicted to their software, that is why their anti-piracy is a joke..... They simply want Fat and Happy addicts...

I have run Linux, and OS-X (Tiger) and MS knows they are not the only game in town.....

it all boils down to If there is a will there is a way !!

Does DX9 run on NT or Win95 or Win98 for that matter?

It isnt always upgradeable and it wont be in this instance either. Too many changes under the hood that makes it incompatible with WinXP.

NT 4 is Dead as is Win 95.

Win 98 and ME can be upgraded to DX9.

Vista is simply an enhanced NT kernel as is XP. it is just a matter of updating the API to add functionalitys....

But if you are trying to sell something.... do you tell them that ??


Marketing 101 = "Make them think that they need it...."


The Bottom Line... is "The Bottom Line".

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Mr Fox
LDDM (Longhorn Display Driver Model) is only a factor if the Functionality is embraced by the Software Developers, and that Curve is about 3-4 years behind the Actual Implementation. "The Animation", and "Glass" Effects may or may not be adopted by the Software Developers.

Like it or not, LDDM will become the standard. You'll either move to it or become extinct, at least if Windows is your OS of choice.

The other components that enable this functionality will be put into a service pack update....but they would be foolish to announce that now... This Operating system is simply an enhanced NT Kernel as is XP.

Don't comment if you have no idea what you're talking about. Many of Vista's kernel components are written from scratch (ie the networking) and share nothing with 2K/XP.

 

[Mr Fox]

Don't comment if you have no idea what you're talking about. Many of Vista's kernel components are written from scratch (ie the networking) and share nothing with 2K/XP.

I have much more Knowledge on this Subject than is Appropriate here, on the subject of this Thread.

And if you would like to continue this discussion in the" Highly Technical Forum " I would look forward to further discussion RE: This subject.


To assist the OP and Others :

http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/01/12/XPKernel/

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/vista/kernel-en.mspx


As far as my Technical Expertise :


MSDN Member (Since 1999)

MS OEM System Builder (Since 1999)

Intel Channel Partner (Since 1999)

AMD Channel Partner (Since 1999)

JEDEC Member (Since 2000)

PCI-Sig Member (Since 2006)

 

[obeseotron]

Originally posted by: Mr Fox

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Mr Fox

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
I thought that DX 10 was exclusive to vista?

it is

This is Marketing Hype.... Trying to Bullshit people into buying...

DX has always been upgradeable. Windows 2000 is able to Run DX9 And to Leave Millions of paid Users hanging on DX functionality would be Brand Suicide.....

Microsoft is in a 98% profit buisness model that has most of the world addicted to their software, that is why their anti-piracy is a joke..... They simply want Fat and Happy addicts...

I have run Linux, and OS-X (Tiger) and MS knows they are not the only game in town.....

it all boils down to If there is a will there is a way !!

Does DX9 run on NT or Win95 or Win98 for that matter?

It isnt always upgradeable and it wont be in this instance either. Too many changes under the hood that makes it incompatible with WinXP.

NT 4 is Dead as is Win 95.

Win 98 and ME can be upgraded to DX9.

Vista is simply an enhanced NT kernel as is XP. it is just a matter of updating the API to add functionalitys....

But if you are trying to sell something.... do you tell them that ??


Marketing 101 = "Make them think that they need it...."


The Bottom Line... is "The Bottom Line".

Google it. No DX10 for WinXP, period.