DirecTV buyer's remorse

overturfa

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--Sorry no Cliff's

Part I - Background
Just some preleminary growing pains. I had Dish for over a year and really enjoyed the service. I had the top everything package which was expensive, but I really liked the programming but this year legislation was passed to disallow receiving distant local stations which l used extensively last year for football games. Hence why I'm now a DirecTV Sunday Ticket subscriber.

Part II - Initial impression
Barring the Sunday Ticket, both systems are very comparable in programming and pricing (Dish is a little cheaper). DTV even seems to have a little better picture to my eye (although the guys at AVS disagree). The real difference is in the hardware. I had the 522 and 322 (both dual tuners. The 522 was a DVR) with Dish wich controlled a total of 4 rooms. This was a really convenient setup, especially the 522 which shared the DVR function with two rooms and both used RF remotes for the second room. DirecTV has no such animal, but I did grab the DirecTivo.

Instantly I missed the Dish 522's ability to record a show in the living room and watch it later in the bedroom. I worked around this by using a Rat-Shack RF remote extender ($50.00) and piggybacking the second RF output on the Tivo into the ANT input on the regular DTV receiver now in my bedroom. Basically when I want to use the Tivo in the bedroom I turn off the standard receiver. This solution works and allows both rooms to watch different channels, but it's still not the same...

Part III - Annoyances
First of all the lack of an RF remote that can talk through walls. Secondly I'm up to two remotes in the bedroom when I want to use the DVR (even though the standard receiver has a universal remote that is supposed to be programmable for multiple receivers - more on this later)

The menu guide on the Tivo leaves much to be desired. With Dish, the font was large, the colors were good and the menu was easy to understand. The 522 had options to create timers for recording, to auto tune to a channel, or just give a reminder when a show was coming on. There was also like a PIP window in the menu which showed the current channel while you channel surfed. The standard DTV reciever isn't much different from the 522/322's menu, but the Tivo's menu tries to display too many channels at once. Basically the font is so small I can barely read it and there is no PIP window which kinda sucks. However, the unit did allow me to select 16:9 as a native aspect ratio (something the Dish equipmet doesn't do)

Part IV - Customer Service
I have to say that everyone I've spoken with has been nice enough, but not as knowledgable as Dish customer support. When I called to find out if there was a way to change the font size on the Tivo, it took almost 30 min just for someone to tell me it was not possible. To the representative's credit, it seemed like they exhausted their resources searching for the answer.

I called them again when I was trying to program my standard receiver's remote. So you know, the standard receiver walks the user through prgramming the remote to control other equipment including other DTV receivers, but none of the codes listed seemed to work. When I called the DTV rep gave me a new code to try, but that didn't work either. After they researched this further, it turns out that this functionality has not been implemented yet even though the receiver leads you to belive otherwise (I hate vapor-ware).

Part V - Conclusion
So, in summary, my initial impression of DirecTV has been kinda 'meh', but hopefully this is just me getting used to a new system more than anything else. But there is no denying that Dish has their act together.

For now I can justify my decision in three words; NFL Sunday Ticket. What can I say? I'm obsessive when it comes to football. However, I truely think that all other things being equal, Dish's setup OWNS DirecTV in a big way and if Dish offered something similar to the Sunday Ticket I'd readily swallow the breach of contract fee with DirecTV, pay the 2 months programming in advance plus the $49 reconnect fee to Dish and go back. Getting DirecTV setup to behave like what I'm used to has been a big P.I.T.A!

That is all...


Edit: Just for simms...
Dish Network kicks DirecTV's butt except for the Sunday Ticket.
 

TGS

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Other than sunday ticket, dish is the better option. I come out a couple bucks cheaper for the same service minus the sunday ticket that my coworker has.
 

kinev

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Too lazy to read, but DirecTivo > *.
Adding another larger hard drive is cool too.
NFL Sunday ticket rocks! Did you get the super premium NFL ST? The one that has the shortened games and 6 games on one screen? That looks way cool, but too expensive to justify the cost.
 

overturfa

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Originally posted by: kinev
Too lazy to read, but DirecTivo > *.
Adding another larger hard drive is cool too.
NFL Sunday ticket rocks! Did you get the super premium NFL ST? The one that has the shortened games and 6 games on one screen? That looks way cool, but too expensive to justify the cost.

No I just got the regular NFL ST, but the premium sounds pretty darn cool. It is hard to upgrade the HD in the Tivo? What would I need to do it because 70 hours isn't that much recording time.
 

kinev

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Originally posted by: overturfa
Originally posted by: kinev
Too lazy to read, but DirecTivo > *.
Adding another larger hard drive is cool too.
NFL Sunday ticket rocks! Did you get the super premium NFL ST? The one that has the shortened games and 6 games on one screen? That looks way cool, but too expensive to justify the cost.

No I just got the regular NFL ST, but the premium sounds pretty darn cool. It is hard to upgrade the HD in the Tivo? What would I need to do it because 70 hours isn't that much recording time.

It's been a while since I did it, but I followed a pretty good guide on-line. It was pretty easy. All you need is another HD 120 gb or less, a set of hex keys, some rails, and another computer running windows 98. I'll look for the site that i used.
 

Slvrtg277

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Originally posted by: kinev
Too lazy to read, but DirecTivo > *.
Adding another larger hard drive is cool too.
NFL Sunday ticket rocks! Did you get the super premium NFL ST? The one that has the shortened games and 6 games on one screen? That looks way cool, but too expensive to justify the cost.

The only thing that DTV has on Dish is the NFL Sunday Ticket. That's it. The DVR/PVR receivers that Dish have are much better than the Tivo receivers that DTV offer.

And my HDD holds 90 hours of recorded content, whether it's in 5.1 or stereo. How much more do you need??
 

acemcmac

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why is it illegal to recieve out of market local stations? :confused:

that seems like a dumb rule. I'd pay good money for that
 

Pantoot

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Originally posted by: overturfa
Originally posted by: kinev
Here is a good guide for upgrading your Tivo.

http://tivo.upgrade-instructions.com/index.php

Also, check out tivocommunity.com. They have all sorts of cool stuff. If you haven't done it yet, the select, play, select, 3, 0, select code is really helpful.

What does that code do?

Changes the -> button to a 30 second skip.
And from my experience the HD-Tivo blows away all other HD DVRs, cable or sat.
 

kinev

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Originally posted by: Pantoot
Originally posted by: overturfa
Originally posted by: kinev
Here is a good guide for upgrading your Tivo.

http://tivo.upgrade-instructions.com/index.php

Also, check out tivocommunity.com. They have all sorts of cool stuff. If you haven't done it yet, the select, play, select, 3, 0, select code is really helpful.

What does that code do?

Changes the -> button to a 30 second skip.
And from my experience the HD-Tivo blows away all other HD DVRs, cable or sat.

yes. 30 second skip. very useful because most commercials come in 30 second increments. :D
 

overturfa

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Originally posted by: Pantoot
Originally posted by: overturfa
Originally posted by: kinev
Here is a good guide for upgrading your Tivo.

http://tivo.upgrade-instructions.com/index.php

Also, check out tivocommunity.com. They have all sorts of cool stuff. If you haven't done it yet, the select, play, select, 3, 0, select code is really helpful.

What does that code do?

Changes the -> button to a 30 second skip.
And from my experience the HD-Tivo blows away all other HD DVRs, cable or sat.

That would definately be an imporvement over jumping straight back into live TV.

By extension, would select, play, select, 1, 0, select change it to a 10 second advance?

What other codes are out there? BTW, great site on the upgrade kinev!


 

kinev

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Originally posted by: overturfa
Originally posted by: Pantoot
Originally posted by: overturfa
Originally posted by: kinev
Here is a good guide for upgrading your Tivo.

http://tivo.upgrade-instructions.com/index.php

Also, check out tivocommunity.com. They have all sorts of cool stuff. If you haven't done it yet, the select, play, select, 3, 0, select code is really helpful.

What does that code do?

Changes the -> button to a 30 second skip.
And from my experience the HD-Tivo blows away all other HD DVRs, cable or sat.

That would definately be an imporvement over jumping straight back into live TV.

By extension, would select, play, select, 1, 0, select change it to a 10 second advance?

What other codes are out there? BTW, great site on the upgrade kinev!

no, unfortunately, it's only good for 30 seconds, or so I'm told. Check out tivocommunity for more codes. Some good stuff there.
 

Zorro

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Direct Tv is getting away from using Tivo in their DVR receiver. Going to start making thier own. I still think Dish blows away DTV as far as receivers go.
 

kinev

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I had an old Dish DVR and it stunk compared to my DirecTivo. Granted it was an old unit, but it only had one reciever and only had like 5 hours of recording time. I'm sure they're a lot better now, but when I went to Direct TV it was like night and day!
 

Jzero

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You've got a pretty crazy setup going on there. I'm not even sure I understand what you're doing and why.

Otherwise, I think it's by-and-large a matter of what you're used to. I have DTV and my friend's Dish setup seems cumbersome to me, and I imagine he feels the same way about mine.

I would never updgrade my Tivo HD. I can't even keep up with 70 hours! :D