Dinky heatsink on 45nm C2Ds??

[Maverick2002]

I recently got a 3.06 E7600 as an upgrade from my 1.8 E4300 and the new heatsink is pathetic. It's half as tall and aluminum all the way through, unlike my original that has a copper core and is 2x the size.

Does the 45nm chips just run cooler or is Intel trying to cut costs?

 

[Kenmitch]

Does the 45nm chips just run cooler or is Intel trying to cut costs?

It's a combo of both

Just use the one with the copper core with some arctic silver if you still have it.

 

[alyarb]

Does the 45nm chips just run cooler or is Intel trying to cut costs?

these are the same costs that have been cut for years. it represents intel's feelings for you.

 

[pjkenned]

I had the same reaction to the Core i3/i5 cooler. But then again, running stock speeds at ~30C in a 20C ambient room isn't too bad, especially since that is cooling the GPU too.

 

[alfa147x]

Haha yeah im using a prescott(i think) p4 HSF on my E8400

 

[Zap]

Welcome to 2008.

 

[zsdersw]

I recently got a 3.06 E7600 as an upgrade from my 1.8 E4300 and the new heatsink is pathetic.

It's not pathetic at all. It's sufficient. Those who desire to overclock can (and almost always do) purchase alternative HSFs.

 

[CurseTheSky]

It's not pathetic at all. It's sufficient. Those who desire to overclock can (and almost always do) purchase alternative HSFs.

...sufficient if your case has decent air flow. Even my P182 SE would let my E8400 (and especially i7 860) get up to scary temps under Prime95 small FFT load (80-90C+ wasn't uncommon). Neither were overclocked or overvolted. On the other hand, when my E8400 was under a Freezer 7 Pro the temps never got above 60C or so.

Now that I've switched to an FT02, the load temperatures are decent even with a stock cooler.

 

[zsdersw]

get up to scary temps under Prime95 small FFT load (80-90C+ wasn't uncommon).

That's not a typical usage scenario for the vast majority of systems that use the Intel retail HSF.

 

[CraigRT]

I opened the box of my new i7 860 and just said no to that cooler.... It's like an inch thick topps. For a mere $20-30 you can get a nice adequate cooler with heatpipes, no worry about extreme temps degrading the CPU's lifespan.

 

[gorobei]

nothing new.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-cooler-charts-2008,1784.html

kinda wish they had lined up all the coolers side by side to see the size changes.

 

[Markfw]

It's not pathetic at all. It's sufficient. Those who desire to overclock can (and almost always do) purchase alternative HSFs.

Its sufficient if you like noise.

Its sufficient if you like your CPU to run 80-90c, just under the max temp the cpu can handle.

Its sufficient for the cpu not to die in the 3 year warranty you get.

Thats ALL its sufficient for.....

As others have said, even without overclocking its small, loud and runs hot.

Not in any PC I build or own.

 

[zsdersw]

Its sufficient if you like noise.

Its sufficient if you like your CPU to run 80-90c, just under the max temp the cpu can handle.

Its sufficient for the cpu not to die in the 3 year warranty you get.

Thats ALL its sufficient for.....

As others have said, even without overclocking its small, loud and runs hot.

Not in any PC I build or own.

I've seen *a lot* of PCs with 45nm C2D's and the Intel retain HSF... and they never get close to 80-90C, and the heatsink itself is never "hot".

Not everyone is an enthusiast.

Enthusiasts aren't going to use the retail HSF, and Intel knows that.

 

[Meghan54]

Unless you're hooked on playing Prime95 for hours on end and overclocking the cpu on top of that, the stock heat sink works quite well. And 80-90C is within the thermal envelope of the cpu.

 

[CurseTheSky]

Unless you're hooked on playing Prime95 for hours on end and overclocking the cpu on top of that, the stock heat sink works quite well. And 80-90C is within the thermal envelope of the cpu.

It's still noisy though.

 

[Lemon law]

Well, I have an e5200 with the same dinky heatsink, but even running primes95 with a slight overclock, I have yet to exceed 55C. Since the intel published redline is at 74 C for that 45 nm chip, and 63.1 C for the prior 65 nm chips, I think I am justified in saying, What me worry?

But just in case, I monitor temps with real temps 24/7. Right now, I am running 37 C as I post this. And if my temps ever get out of control, I have a socket 775 much better heat sink with a copper core sitting on my shelf. And unlike the big heat sinks with heat pipes, I will not have to worry about weight, having my heat sink cantilevered 6" above the mobo, or not fitting into my case.

 

[TuxDave]

It's still noisy though.

If you get a quiet CPU HSF, you'll just be complaining about the noise of the power supply and still be unhappy.

 

[Zap]

get up to scary temps under Prime95 small FFT load (80-90C+ wasn't uncommon).

That's not a typical usage scenario for the vast majority of systems that use the Intel retail HSF.

Exactly.

How many non-enthusiasts run software like Prime95? What's the ratio of non-enthusiasts to enthusiasts?

It's still noisy though.

Only until you discover "Smart Fan" in the BIOS. :hmm:

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Does the 45nm chips just run cooler or is Intel trying to cut costs?

Both. The original copper-core 775 HSF was actually pretty decent. I'm still using them on a couple of OC'ed E4300 and E6420s.

 

[pjkenned]

Unless you're hooked on playing Prime95 for hours on end and overclocking the cpu on top of that, the stock heat sink works quite well.

I don't play Prime95 I watch it instead of TV