Dilemma: have to rat out the boss

NetWareHead

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I'm in a shitty situation. I was unlucky to witness a bad exchange between my coworker and boss. He (boss) began an argument with coworker (female) and approached her aggressively, got close in her personal space, swore repeatedly, very loud and wouldnt relent when it was clear she became distressed and asked him to leave her alone. After he got it out of his system, she began crying and I advised her to take a walk, cool off and come back when she is ready. I could imagine it was pretty stressful for her. What he did was entirely unprofessional, threatening, uncalled for and could put the company in a precarious position. Plus the coworker is a good worker, contributes positively and I would hate to think that she could quit over this.

He is an angry son of a bitch, ex marine hot head type that I can usually get along with and avoid the bad parts of his personality. He is definitely a curmudgeon, 50+ years of age and most of the time is grumpy. If he starts to give me shit, I give it back to him and the weird thing is, I think he respects that. Anybody who stands up to him, he develops a weird respect for and backs off. Others in our group who don't defend themselves or cower, he lays into them more. Despite not having served in decades, I get the feeling he tries to run our group like a bootcamp with him as the drill instructor.

Later on while walking through the hallway, a different coworker approached me and asked me what the shouting was all about this morning. He said he heard the swearing and much of the exchange - through the walls. I was embarrassed that our group's reputation is now all over the building.

Found out that my coworker went to our boss's manager to report the incident and mentioned I was the only other person in the room. Later on I was called into his boss's office to corroborate the incident. I didn't lie, told him what I saw/heard and we discussed it. Big boss was pissed about the incident and doesn't support that kind of management style. He now wants me to document what I witnessed and send him a report. He is going to open an HR incident on my boss. The problem is that the only people in the room were myself, coworker and boss. My boss is surely going to put 2 + 2 together and realize the corroborating report came from me when he is called on to discuss the incident.

I'm not going to disobey the order from big boss to complete the report. That I have to do. I'm trying to figure out how to perform damage control with my own boss who will form and nurse a grudge over this with me. I get plum work assignments from him, we do joint projects, he does my annual reviews, we are in many weekly meetings and I report to him frequently.

I'm thinking of approaching my boss and saying I was interviewed by his boss about the incident and asked to document what I witnessed. I'm going to say that I want you to hear it from me first rather than start the HR interview and realize my corroborating documentation is there waiting for him. I know he is still going to get mad, but I figure he will get over it sooner and possibly respect me for being forward with him. Or just say nothing and let him take his punishment. What do you guys think? Anybody in HR here?
 

PricklyPete

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Personally I would let HR handle it and not preemptively make him aware of the whole thing. Bi understand your desire to be upfront about it...but I would say that would be more appropriate if you had actually done the reporting. In this instance, you were just being asked by authority to corroborate your experience ...which you did. Leave it at that.
 

IronWing

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Let the HR process work. When you write your report, be very careful to separate strict facts from your impressions and judgments concerning those facts and only include your impressions or judgments if asked to do so.
 

K1052

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Say nothing to him and give your report. This is on your boss for behaving poorly. If you feel that he's taking retribution on you file your own complaint.
 

Viper GTS

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Sounds like you should be preparing for your boss' job

This strikes me as the most likely outcome here. Don't talk to your boss. Deal only with HR.

He's a fucking idiot to pull that shit in 2018, there is absolutely no tolerance for that any more. His loss, your (potential) gain.

Viper GTS
 
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monkeydelmagico

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Don't initiate the conversation. Chances are good HR will advise you to keep your mouth shut.

Jarhead is gonna get a lesson on how not to use your military experience to motivate people.
 
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zinfamous

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Let HR deal with it first, then stand up to your boss if he becomes a child over your involvement. You said he respects that, right? If he gets angry, remind him of policy and remind him that you did what you think is right, that you don't appreciate how he handled the situation, and that you think it is more important for the company, in the end. Remind that you have had a good working relationship but that doesn't mean you have to hide when you see something that is clearly wrong and that HR and his boss are simply requesting that you do your job by reporting to them.
 

NetWareHead

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Your boss is not your friend.

You dont owe him blind loyalty.

Im thinking of giving him the heads up, not out of blind loyalty, but selfishly, in an attempt to preserve my own standing in the group and continue to get plum work assignments. Also, the guy does my reviews. Im trying to curry favor with him because I predict he will be offended, even if I explain to him that I was ordered to do so. Just trying to make the best situation out of this...
 

deustroop

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I was unlucky to witness a bad exchange between my coworker and boss. He (boss) began an argument with coworker (female) and approached her aggressively, got close in her personal space, swore repeatedly, very loud and wouldnt relent when it was clear she became distressed and asked him to leave her alone. After he got it out of his system, she began crying and I advised her to take a walk, cool off and come back when she is ready.

Your boss can f*ck you three times from Sunday when the Pats win the SB again.So self preserve. Sanitize. Couldn't your Report read more like this:

The Boss was debating an issue, moved in too close and raised his voice, then used words well advised against and inappropriately. The aggressive posture distressed your co worker who took a while to recover. Has he apologized yet ?
 

Stopsignhank

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Do NOT say anything before hand. After wards you can go in and tell them that HR asked you some questions and you answered them.

It is then up to your boss to man up and realize that what he did was wrong.
 
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deustroop

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Your boss can f*ck you three times from Sunday when the Pats win the SB again.So self preserve. Sanitize. Couldn't your Report read more like this:

The Boss was debating an issue, moved in too close and raised his voice, then used words well advised against and inappropriately. The aggressive posture distressed your co worker who took a while to recover. Has he apologized yet ?

Quite. Then approach the Boss and let him know how you soft pedaled the thing. Remind him obliquely that you and he have got along reasonably well in the past and how these Reports may be amended if circumstances warrant.
You now own him.
 

MrBailey

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Most companies have rules against retaliation. Ones that can get him (the boss) fired. Talk to HR and see if they have these rules in place.
 

Herr Kutz

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What is the significance to this story of pointing our your boss is a male and your coworker is a female? There must be some reason for you to go out of your way to bring it up.
 

NetWareHead

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Quite. Then approach the Boss and let him know how you soft pedaled the thing. Remind him obliquely that you and he have got along reasonably well in the past and how these Reports may be amended if circumstances warrant.
You now own him.

Im not doing that. Im not going to amend the report in my boss's favor so I can own his ass. I already gave an oral account anyway in the big boss's office of what happened.
 

NetWareHead

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Let the HR process work. When you write your report, be very careful to separate strict facts from your impressions and judgments concerning those facts and only include your impressions or judgments if asked to do so.

Your boss can f*ck you three times from Sunday when the Pats win the SB again.So self preserve. Sanitize. Couldn't your Report read more like this:

The Boss was debating an issue, moved in too close and raised his voice, then used words well advised against and inappropriately. The aggressive posture distressed your co worker who took a while to recover. Has he apologized yet ?

I've written the report but have not sent it yet. Its a brief account of what happened and devoid of any of my own personal judgments. I wrote it remembering my own boss may very well end up reading it. While factual, it is straight to the point and no fluff about what I think.

No he has not apologized yet.
 

NetWareHead

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What is the significance to this story of pointing our your boss is a male and your coworker is a female? There must be some reason for you to go out of your way to bring it up.

It is a detail germane to the story and helps paint the picture of what happened. Old crusty grumpy ex-military guy making a woman cry.

What are you implying?
 

NetWareHead

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he's saying that he is the victim for having to read what he assumed to be your insinuation that this is some sort of feminist conspiracy. It offends him.

I see. Just like it is racist to comment on the ethnicity of a criminal. Especially if said criminal is black but not racist if criminal is white. Got it.