Dilema

dirtboy

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A friend of my called me today looking for some help and ever since then, I have been in a quandary of what to do.

My friend owns a computer store where he builds computers and sells parts. The company I went to work for when I moved into town did business with him and that's how we me. I was pretty impressed with what he had done in the short time he had been in business. As time passed we eventually both talked about how he would like me to come work for him to help him expand his business into networking, since he didn't know much about it at the time.

Some time has passed now and he has taken classes for his NT 4.0 MSCE and some of his employees have taken some of the classes. He's wired his building up for the Internet and such. IMHO, he's still a beginner, but learning quickly.

The last time I saw him he told me about a number of deals he had in the works with servers and networks; I was happy for him.

Today he calls me up out of the blue inquiring about Netware. Finally, knowing that he doesn't know Netware, I asked him why. He said next weekend that he's got a job replacing a Netware server with a Windows 2000 server. I asked him what was wrong with the setup, etc. It finally came to be that he got this deal and nobody at the company knows how to administrate Netware and because they outsourced it, they don't have have administrative access to the server. So, on his recommendation they are switching to Windows 2000.

I started asking a number of questions, like does he know Active Directory, does he know what access the users accounts have, network printing, the programs installed, e-mail situation, Internet conductivity setup, etc. To make a long story short, he was only sure that the program they use would work on Windows 2000.

In the end, he asked if I would come down with him because he wanted to start and finish it in one day and he was going to take a number of other people with him.

The problem is, I don't know if I can tell him I don't want to go. As my friend, I want to do the honorable thing and help him. I have purchased a couple Windows 2000 books and probably could do some crash reading, but I probably don't know it anymore then the one person he as working for him that he said knows something about it. I'm sure I could be of some help, but I like to have a plan of what I'm goin to do.

On the other hand, I know it's going to be a long day and I will eventually get pissed because nobody did the necessary homework to make sure this would go smooth. Obviously when you migrate platforms you need to have a heads up on things. I'm just not sure if I want to be in that situation, especially around his customer and as someone who doesn't work for him. That, and there's no way come Monday would I be able to fix any problems that arise, because I have to go to work!
 

Soybomb

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Hes running a business and getting paid right? He's your friend but your'e still having to bail him out so tell him you'll go but have him pay enough to make it worth your time :)
 

Deicide

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I would go ahead and do it with him. He's probably getting a good chunk of cash for doing it, just make sure you get a good percentage of that. Then maybe next time he'll think twice about asking you for help ;)
 

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I would simply abstain courteously. Tell him that you WILL NOT be there to provide support in the future and that it is better that he trains himself/his employees because THEY WILL need to know it in the future.

It is his image that will be tarnished, don't let yourself be caught up in it. Friendship and businesses don't work too well when there aren't strict guidelines and contracts drawn.
 

PassatVR6

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I wouldnt do it, sounds like he got himself in a tight bind and is desperate now. Even if he offers to pay you a nice chunk of change, I dont think its worth being put on the spot like that because you yourself are unsure of the situation. Umm,, say you already have prior arrangements for that day and that you cannot help him out?? I dont know. If that doesnt work just tell the truth that you do not want to do it.
 

PassatVR6

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Furthermore, if you bail him out this time... he will keep calling on you to bail him out in the future and that can just be a hassle. Im a helpful person, but theres a difference between helping out a friend.. and taking advantage of someone.
 

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Tell him the truth: he fscked himself. Furthermore, you don't know enough about Windows 2000 to be able to guarantee anything. Then tell him that your time is valuable, but that you'd be able to help them with their Netware problem for a reasonable hourly fee. Given their track record and the likeliness that no-one will be fully prepared for anything, tell him that you can't guarantee that everything will be fixed, but you'll try your best.


Or, if you just plain don't want to be bothered, tell him that. It's not your responsibility to help someone who screws themself up, especially if they do this as their primary job.
 

zman6911

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Well, as an IT Advanced Newbie (I'm in the process of getting my MCSE, and even after I get that, I will only consider myself an IT Script Kiddie) I feel your friend bit off alot more than he can chew. I've played with netware and it is easy to mess things up if you do not know what you are doing. Migrating platforms isn't no easy task either. Thats why certification requirements are so stringent. I would consider bailing him out this time for a sum of money and then send him here: http://www.microsoft.com/trainingandservices/default.asp?PageID=mcp . I know I would never attempt anything I have not completed succesfully before.
 

Turdorf

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I had a similar situation where one of my co-workers took on a job for installing a new system/network in a company. His background was not in this field. He told me he was getting paid $15 grand for one weekends work and wanted to split it with me. Even though this job would take me all weekend to do, he would not be any help to me and to explain everything would only take me longer. After he figured he couldn't find anyone else to do the job for him, he started to beg. I told him the best I could do is to take 14 and give him 1 for the referral. I wasn't looking for the job, but did it anyway. My feeling is, charge so much that he gets upset. This way he won't do it again.
 

Windogg

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Do the geek thing and tell him to use Linux.

Seriously though, I'd decline. You must also think of what could happen if it all goes wrong. If the company loses everything because of this, your friend and potentially you doul get caught up in a lot of finger pointing. All this could lead to messy legal fight.

Migrating from Netware to W2K is not an easy task.

Windogg
 

dirtboy

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I don't think he's making much money on this deal. He usually charges pretty low labor rates, which is why he probably got the deal. Even if I were to ask for a load of cash, I would expect myself to be able to do the entire job, which I don't think I could do at this point in time.

The nice thing is he doesn't call me hardly ever, just usually when he needs alot of help and in this case, I would guess I was going to be doing quite a bit of the work. Of course I don't know how much one of his guys knows.

The crazy thing he he is not "migrating". He's replacing, because I posed that question to him myself. So, all the user accounts will be manually recreated. I dunno how the data is going to get moved, because from what I can tell, nobody has adminstrative access to the server. Whatever you call it, migrating from anything to anything isn't easy.

I'm the type of guy who likes to have a plan going into things like this. I usually spend alot of time learning what a place has and then figuring out what I need to do every step of the way. I try to research and read up to make sure I'm on track, plus I like to have a backup plan, just in case things don't work. If I went, I wouldn't have any of this.

I hate to tell him I think he's screwed...if I could just get out gracefully, I'd be alright. :)