Digital Vibrance Control? (DVC) 3.0

[VinDSL]

I bought an Nvidia 7600 GT last week... haven't owned an Nvidia card in years!

100% ATI fanboi, I was! I tried to hate this 7600 GT, but the more I use it, the more I like it!

It actually spurred me to reinstall WindowBlinds... I picked up ObjectDock, yada, yada...

Then... I discovered DVC in the Nvidia setting. WoW!!!

Why didn't someone tell me about this?

Dude, I'm gonna have a HARD time going back to ATI now!

LoL! Funny how attitudes can change overnight, eh?

 

[xtknight]

Probably because 3/4 of your color gradient gets inaccurate and another quarter disappears.

You have to view the images without DVC to see them properly.

Without DVC: http://xtknight.atothosting.com/tools/normalscale.png
With DVC: http://xtknight.atothosting.co...ls/digitalvibrance.png (photoshop simulation since DVC isn't screenshot-able)

Also, ATI has a similar setting called Saturation that you can apply to the desktop.

A better solution is to lower your gamma correction. It achieves the effect that you'd most likely want. If you have a really low-end monitor (like a laptop) DVC might be a good idea but otherwise try the gamma adjustment.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: VinDSL
I bought an Nvidia 7600 GT last week... haven't owned an Nvidia card in years!

100% ATI fanboi, I was! I tried to hate this 7600 GT, but the more I use it, the more I like it!

It actually spurred me to reinstall WindowBlinds... I picked up ObjectDock, yada, yada...

Then... I discovered DVC in the Nvidia setting. WoW!!!

Why didn't someone tell me about this?

Dude, I'm gonna have a HARD time going back to ATI now!

LoL! Funny how attitudes can change overnight, eh?

while you are having such a good time, install n-tune ... it makes CCC look like a beta program

and there is no going back to ATi ...

--it's all AMD [or nvidia]

 

[will889]

Originally posted by: VinDSL
I bought an Nvidia 7600 GT last week... haven't owned an Nvidia card in years!

100% ATI fanboi, I was! I tried to hate this 7600 GT, but the more I use it, the more I like it!

It actually spurred me to reinstall WindowBlinds... I picked up ObjectDock, yada, yada...

Then... I discovered DVC in the Nvidia setting. WoW!!!

Why didn't someone tell me about this?

Dude, I'm gonna have a HARD time going back to ATI now!

LoL! Funny how attitudes can change overnight, eh?

I hear ya. I had been ATI since the 9700 Pro and have very much enjoyed DV on my own 7950GT. As was said you can get pretty close to the same effect with saturation in the ATI CP but NV has that also in the NV CP. I also found that it was a myth about ATI's superior 2D because my 7950 has great 2D (from my perspective). It seems that ATI's driver default are better looking on the desktop but once you play with NV'
s settings a bit it more than equals out. My settings are:

Brightness = 50%
DV = 14%
Contrast = 50%
Image Saturation = 33%
Gamma = 9%

 

[VinDSL]

Originally posted by: apoppin
there is no going back to ATi ...

--it's all AMD [or nvidia]

Interesting!

I thought you'd be all over me when I said that...

 

[VinDSL]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Probably because 3/4 of your color gradient gets inaccurate and another quarter disappears.

If you have a really low-end monitor (like a laptop) DVC might be a good idea but otherwise try the gamma adjustment.

Not picking a fight...

I'm involved with designing a lot of dark themes for web sites, and have a pretty good eye when it comes to stuff like this, and so far, this DVC looks great on my Dell (Samsung) panel.

Of course, it didn't take a whole lot of correction...

I wish this control had percentages available, instead of low, medium, & high, or whatever, but that's life!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: VinDSL

Originally posted by: apoppin
there is no going back to ATi ...

--it's all AMD [or nvidia]

Interesting!

I thought you'd be all over me when I said that...

actually, i think i have the last ATi card ... and it has AMD's fingerprints all over it as they "reworked" it away from the r600 that the ATi engineers envisioned

there is no point to being a fan boy ... i preferred ATi based on my experiences with RageFury32 and the original GeForce SDR ... the ATi IQ was better then. After 5 or 6 years i got a 7800GS and got to play with it for less then a month while i decided what to do with my x1950p.

it was an awesome value and i really liked the CP and some of the more logical and intuitive ways nvidia organized it. The GPU had excellent IQ ... very close to my x1950p and i was further surprised by the IQ improvement in the 8800 series when i had my 8800GTS OC for 10 days ... i couldn't pick between the 2900 series and the 8800 series if i had single PCIe slot MB and they were the same price ... they are very worth competitors.

anyway, give "n-tune" a try ... it is a really excellent piece of work ... especially if you are working with multiple displays and multiple resolutions

just don't forget to uninstall it BEFORE you remove you nvidia HW []
... it gave me a devil of a time trying to hunt it down and execute it ... i had to pull out my really big guns in safe mode
[even DC Pro didn't get it]

 

[VinDSL]

I'm still looking for a combination that will get rid of the banding in the light/dark transition in this pic.

Do you see these bands with your setup?

 

[Noema]

Originally posted by: VinDSL


Do you see these bands with your setup?

Big time. But then again I use a $250 6-bit TN 22" panel

I never liked DV. Even at its lowest settings looks really saturated.

 

[VinDSL]

Hrm...

Well, I can see them, especially near the black region... but just barely.

Are you running in 'True Color' (32-bit) mode? That makes a huge difference!

 

[Noema]

Originally posted by: VinDSL


Are you running in 'True Color' (32-bit) mode? That makes a huge difference!

Most certainly.

Like I mentioned, my monitor is not the greatest LCD around and only achieves 16M colors via dithering.

That's the price for cheap WS thrills I don't really mind.

 

[VinDSL]

Originally posted by: apoppin
...give "n-tune" a try ... it is a really excellent piece of work ... especially if you are working with multiple displays and multiple resolutions...

Guess I'll have to pass...

According to the docs, it doesn't support my mobo, and it's only for XP and Vista.

 

[40sTheme]

Originally posted by: will889

Originally posted by: VinDSL
I bought an Nvidia 7600 GT last week... haven't owned an Nvidia card in years!

100% ATI fanboi, I was! I tried to hate this 7600 GT, but the more I use it, the more I like it!

It actually spurred me to reinstall WindowBlinds... I picked up ObjectDock, yada, yada...

Then... I discovered DVC in the Nvidia setting. WoW!!!

Why didn't someone tell me about this?

Dude, I'm gonna have a HARD time going back to ATI now!

LoL! Funny how attitudes can change overnight, eh?

I hear ya. I had been ATI since the 9700 Pro and have very much enjoyed DV on my own 7950GT. As was said you can get pretty close to the same effect with saturation in the ATI CP but NV has that also in the NV CP. I also found that it was a myth about ATI's superior 2D because my 7950 has great 2D (from my perspective). It seems that ATI's driver default are better looking on the desktop but once you play with NV'
s settings a bit it more than equals out. My settings are:

Brightness = 50%
DV = 14%
Contrast = 50%
Image Saturation = 33%
Gamma = 9%

Whoa that's weird those exact settings are perfect on my monitor, too.
:Q

 

[VinDSL]

How/where are you guys getting these DV readings in percentages?

Example: Mine just says low, medium, high.

 

[VinDSL]

Originally posted by: will889
I hear ya. I had been ATI since the 9700 Pro and have very much enjoyed DV on my own 7950GT...

I also found that it was a myth about ATI's superior 2D because my 7950 has great 2D (from my perspective).

Agreed!

This card replaced my much beloved ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (which I put in the wife's machine), and doing an AB comparison via KVM, the 7600 GT looks better!

The colors on the GT are brighter, the gradients more pastel-like, and the fonts less harsh...

Generally, all around better, aesthetically and performance-wise. It was a good swap!

DVC was the icing on the cake...

 

[will889]

Originally posted by: VinDSL
How/where are you guys getting these DV readings in percentages?
Example: Mine just says low, medium, high.

I use the 158.27 driver for the 8800 series on my 7950GT so I have a different NV control panel. I can also get the same screen you have if I right click on the NV tray config and click on "color correction". my NV CP with 158.27's look like this.


As far as the ATI vs. NV 3D/3D thing goes I know ATI has better AA-AF in most situations but I don't use it to the extreme enough in gaming to notice. EG: 8X AA 16X AF. I like to use around 2-4X AA and 8X AF and keep frames at a higher average with settings on the highest it will go. Like you I find the general web page viewing better on the NV card after I adjusted all of the values mentioned above. I do this by looking at various text tables and websites and making sure text is sharp and clear then I use a series of wallpaper backgrounds like some of the Vista Grass background where you have distinct blades of grass, and I adjust the sharpness/DV/image sharpening/gamma until I get a good combination for 2D and 3D. I did the same with ATI cards too but honestly the NV card looks better (opinion) with text and 2/3d on the desktop. Whites definitely look better vs. my ATI cards on the desktop, in that to get the same level/quality of web page viewing with bright/sharp whites on the ATI cards I had to increase brightness and or contrast which made it look too washed out (even when doing monitor adjustments).

Whoa that's weird those exact settings are perfect on my monitor, too.

Haha write them down that's what I do with everything. I have every bios setting of every rig I've had and every control panel adjustment for color and tweaks (ATI or NV back to the GF3 TI500) written down.