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Digital music system

Mpficek

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I am a child of the 80s, and starting getting into music in the 90s when our small town still had place to go to where you could listen to different components, pair them with different speakers and make an educated decision on what to buy. Fast forward to now and I don't know where to go or where to seek help. I still have my Yamaha Rx-596 my Boston CR7s and my MTX 8" speakers (don't recall model). Growing up in the 90s of coarse all of my music was on cd. With the advent of itunes I unfortunately fell into the fad of putting everything into iTunes and losing and ruining my CDs. So as I have purchased a new house that I am completely remodeling, I am beginning to think about a total upgrade over haul of my audio system and am realizing that I know very little. I know that the digital format of my music is not ideal for achieving high quality sound. I know that my speakers are likely outdated and are not going to work Bc my wife will not allow them to be sitting out in plane site. (And they are beat up and subpar) And I also know that my reciever is on the fritz. So where does this leave me? Basically lost in a sea of audio info that is mostly over my head with nothing but big box stores to turn to. Please help. I Am basically looking to create a system mainly for music but satisfactory for theatre, using digital files as my source, and in wall or ceiling speakers. I have a top of the line Samsung 60" in the box waiting to be hung. My home is a very open floor plan with vaulted 15' ceilings. I need to keep my budget under $2500. Any advice or answers will be greatly appreciated.

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Are you going to be listening to music in one room or throughout the house?

Either way, I'd start by investing in a simple NAS to store your audio and video files. A Synology DS214 would run you about $300, plus the cost of two large hard drives, and will be an easy way to store and serve your music and movies.

Then, while you're re-ripping all your CDs into a better non-crappy format, you can research the rest of whatever you're going to need. 🙂
 
As far as speakers go: Are you open to smaller speakers that are not in-wall? With an open floor plan and high ceiling, in-wall might be a bad choice.

For me personally my method of attack would be:
NAS connected to HTPC
HTPC connected to receiver
Decent home theater receiver connected to tv
Decent speakers connected to receiver

The HTPC will take care of ripping CDs, DVDs and Blu Rays. The NAS will store all your files. The receiver will take care of networking and sound processing and the speakers will make you smile.

If it were me, I'd go with something like this:
Dell i5 desktop (or any decent i5 desktop):
http://www.amazon.com/Dell-Inspiron-...400576&sr=1-14
Synology NAS:
http://www.amazon.com/Synology-DiskS...4&keywords=nas
WD Red HDD's. I'd pick up 3 3TB:
http://www.amazon.com/Red-3TB-NAS-Ha...rn+digital+red
Onkyo Networked Receiver (I prefer Onkyo but YMMV):
http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR626...onkyo+receiver
Polk Audio surround speakers. These are very small but deliver a ton of sound:
http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-TL2...keywords=tl250
Polk 12" sub:
http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-12-...polk+subwoofer

That would put you at $2200, so if you wanted to upgrade the speakers, sub or receiver to better suit your needs the money is there. I personally do not like in-wall speakers and would never recommend them to anyone.
 
Lossless FLAC or apple's lossless will give you 100% CD quality sound. Unlike "lossy" compression like MP3 and normal iTunes files none of the music is changed or discarded.

Size isn't bad: 1,000 CDs require about 300 GB of hard drive space.

dbPowerAmp is one ripping and transcoding program that uses "AccurateRip" to give you better results when ripping from CD, including detecting errors and retryingf reads to work around many of them.

Once you have your collection in lossless format, you can still use dbPowerAmp or similar to transcode a copy of your collection into MP3 or whatever for portable use.

For playback, I use foobar2000. The main thing to consider is using an optical digital connection to your stereo receiver. Sending the music data as digital instead of analog means you don't need to worry about the EMI / RFI noise put out by the computer showing up in the music.

Some high end receivers can also play music from a network server or PC using wifi or ethernet, but I don't know if any of them support FLAC / apple lossless instead of just lossy music. Something else to check for is how well such receivers can handle building a catalog of thousands of songs.
 
CD: if ripping CDs, get one of the Samsung SH224, or Asus DRW-B24W1ST, for ripping drives. CD ripping quality varies by drive, and they will be consistently good, while also being cheap and widely available. Ripping lossless in iTunes will generally work OK, but if you want to get anal about it, EAC or DBPowerAmp are the ways to go, with AccurateRip (compares your rip results to others who submitted theirs).

Format: FLAC or ALAC, depending on Apple or non-Apple preferred ripping and playback infrastructure. Both are lossless, with tags and CRCs (so if any data gets corrupted, you can know). With either of these, you will have archival copies.

Managing the music via software can be done any number of ways, and there are options started at free, just costing your time to learn. If making a dedicated box, seriously consider a Raspberry Pi, or other SBC, with a USB DAC and/or transport. You can get distros that will allow you to control the system via a web page, with a bunch of built-in features, and typically with an added phone-friendly control interface, too (Volume.io and RuneAudio being two rather impressive ones). A Pi, SD card, Pi-compatible wifi dongle (or just use Ethernet), case, and USB sound card of choice will set you back less than a used PC, will be tiny, use very little power, and can be stashed anywhere. Not without its effort and learning curve, but with ready to go images, you'll only need a minimal Linux/Samba tutorial on file share mounting to get going, I think.

Music is small enough that a simple RAID 1 and a backup will do all you need. Even with a prebuilt NAS (you can use an old PC just as well, if you want to put in the effort), the storage shouldn't cost more than $700, and really aught to be much less (like $300-400). I have an average of around 350MB used per disc, so modern multi-TB drives are huge.

You could well just add storage to your PC, set it to never go to sleep, and use that for a NAS, too, depending on what you have for desktops. While you want to have something good on the computer side, the more money that can be spent on speakers, crossovers, and amplification, the better; and it's easy to change out the digital back end, so starting minimally, and improving over time, is more cost-effective than trying the same for speakers.
 
I currently use and Asus laptop with an i5 processor and a to shiva external hard drive that I connect to my reciever out of the headphone jack and into the rca cable ports. I am not familiar with the majority of the items that you have suggested or the reasoning for each.

As far as speakers go: Are you open to smaller speakers that are not in-wall? With an open floor plan and high ceiling, in-wall might be a bad choice.

For me personally my method of attack would be:
NAS connected to HTPC
HTPC connected to receiver
Decent home theater receiver connected to tv
Decent speakers connected to receiver

The HTPC will take care of ripping CDs, DVDs and Blu Rays. The NAS will store all your files. The receiver will take care of networking and sound processing and the speakers will make you smile.

If it were me, I'd go with something like this:
Dell i5 desktop (or any decent i5 desktop):
http://www.amazon.com/Dell-Inspiron-...400576&sr=1-14
Synology NAS:
http://www.amazon.com/Synology-DiskS...4&keywords=nas
WD Red HDD's. I'd pick up 3 3TB:
http://www.amazon.com/Red-3TB-NAS-Ha...rn+digital+red
Onkyo Networked Receiver (I prefer Onkyo but YMMV):
http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR626...onkyo+receiver
Polk Audio surround speakers. These are very small but deliver a ton of sound:
http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-TL2...keywords=tl250
Polk 12" sub:
http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-12-...polk+subwoofer

That would put you at $2200, so if you wanted to upgrade the speakers, sub or receiver to better suit your needs the money is there. I personally do not like in-wall speakers and would never recommend them to anyone.
 
I am not looking for a system such as that, I am looking to build something that is versitile and that can be improved upon if and when need be

Not sure if you want a pc solution or one of those streaming blue tooth stereo systems that also have a USB bay for you to just use any thumb drive full of mp3's.

I like the idea of a dedicated hardware stereo just for music would be best for you and not in anyway pc related. http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-Natural...s=audio+system
 
I think? I'm liking what ur suggerting. I however am a little behind the times apparently. If you could break some of your info down, like if you were trying to explain it to say a ten year old (lol) I would greatly appreciate it.

I can tell that this is the type of info I'm looking for, I just need to take some time and research what some of these terms, sights, and components are. And then, I believe, once I get some of this stuff figured out, I can choose the components (ie speakers/reciever) that I prefer and have accomplished what I'm after, thank you!

CD: if ripping CDs, get one of the Samsung SH224, or Asus DRW-B24W1ST, for ripping drives. CD ripping quality varies by drive, and they will be consistently good, while also being cheap and widely available. Ripping lossless in iTunes will generally work OK, but if you want to get anal about it, EAC or DBPowerAmp are the ways to go, with AccurateRip (compares your rip results to others who submitted theirs).

Format: FLAC or ALAC, depending on Apple or non-Apple preferred ripping and playback infrastructure. Both are lossless, with tags and CRCs (so if any data gets corrupted, you can know). With either of these, you will have archival copies.

Managing the music via software can be done any number of ways, and there are options started at free, just costing your time to learn. If making a dedicated box, seriously consider a Raspberry Pi, or other SBC, with a USB DAC and/or transport. You can get distros that will allow you to control the system via a web page, with a bunch of built-in features, and typically with an added phone-friendly control interface, too (Volume.io and RuneAudio being two rather impressive ones). A Pi, SD card, Pi-compatible wifi dongle (or just use Ethernet), case, and USB sound card of choice will set you back less than a used PC, will be tiny, use very little power, and can be stashed anywhere. Not without its effort and learning curve, but with ready to go images, you'll only need a minimal Linux/Samba tutorial on file share mounting to get going, I think.

Music is small enough that a simple RAID 1 and a backup will do all you need. Even with a prebuilt NAS (you can use an old PC just as well, if you want to put in the effort), the storage shouldn't cost more than $700, and really aught to be much less (like $300-400). I have an average of around 350MB used per disc, so modern multi-TB drives are huge.

You could well just add storage to your PC, set it to never go to sleep, and use that for a NAS, too, depending on what you have for desktops. While you want to have something good on the computer side, the more money that can be spent on speakers, crossovers, and amplification, the better; and it's easy to change out the digital back end, so starting minimally, and improving over time, is more cost-effective than trying the same for speakers.
 
It's poorly organized, but I'm not really sure the best way to organize it, so, in no particular order...

For your music (IE, no internet radio or anything): internet or disc -> local storage -> playback software -> digital output (transport) -> DAC -> amp -> speakers. Using digital in to a receiver, it handles the DAC and amp parts.

Playback: central receiver to...whatever. A living room with vaulted ceilings will probably need some care in speaker selection, but that's its own can of worms, and not one I'm well versed in.

Input to receiver for audio: HDMI (video), S/PDIF, TOSLink (optical S/PDIF), or analog input. HDMI can carry video and audio, but how well it will work may depend on other details. Distance increases the risk of audible ground loops, and the carrying cables causing other interference, as well, so it's helpful to have the player right there.

A dedicated box, that is small, unobtrusive, and quiet, and also increases WAF, hence a very small form factor computer hidden away, or an HTPC in a suitable case. If you don't use customized software made for a remote, or use cells/tablets, there are numerous wireless controllers available, in all sorts of form factors.

Input to receiver for video: these days, mostly HDMI.

To get from audio files, or internet streams, to the receiver: some computer.

To turn CDs, DVDs, or whatever else into files: some computer (maybe the same, maybe different). For CDs, the drive (mainly its controller) matters. You can use EAC to check out a drive in a prebuilt PC. It may be in the AccurateRip DB. While notebook drives tend to rip slower, if it's got a Mediatek chipset, it should be a decent CD ripper, and will likely have a +6 sample offset.

To store files to play: some computer (maybe the same as one of the above, maybe its own).

NAS = Network Attached Storage. File shares. A Windows desktop can be a NAS just as well as a Windows server, a linux server, or a turnkey box with hotswap drive bays (99% chance it will be a Linux box, inside). The dedicated box saves you setup time, and gives you an indicator and hotswap bay for a bad drive, should you need to replace one.

A NAS is not necessary, but common to use and quite handy. The transport/DAC could be on the same PC that does everything else, or they could be split up. Usually, they are split up, so that one PC can be right next to the receiver, preferably also on the same power strip, to do the playing back. It used to be one might get a Squeezebox for such duty, but between Logitech deprecating them, and whole PCs getting fairly cheap, why not have something more versatile?

Since ripping discs chews up a good bit of time, you'll want to make sure your library is backed up. I've already had to deal with a library not backed up before, and it's tedious to treat discs as the primary backup. Er, and HDDs are cheap for storing CDs, and not bad for DVDs (BD can eat up some space, though).

If digital input works fine, a PC's included audio will be plenty, if it has digital output. If not, add-on sound cards usually have coax or optical, if not both. Analog out from a PC may work, but don't be surprised if it's noisy on its own, carries PC noises with it (basic tests you see done showing good SNR and THD aren't the whole story), or gives you a ground loop. USB audio devices typically have their own local switching PSU, and are out of the PC itself, so are typically better options for analog (today, if buying a new receiver, though, I'd try not to use analog in).

If you have any familiarity with Linux, or an interest, The Raspberry Pi 2 B+ can be made up for about $60-70, case and Wifi included, so long as some other computer stores the audio files (big SD cards are expensive, after all). If support is there yet, or coming very soon, for the relevant distros, the 2 has a much faster CPU. While you often have to deal with a little Linux and Samba to get going with networked files, RuneAudio and Volume.io have a bunch of features, tweaked UIs, so you can relatively easily remote control them, built in UIs for streaming internet radio, Spotify, etc.. They lack video, though. OpenElec seems to work well for that, but music-wise, is sort of clunky.

For getting started, you could just use a PC, with Foobar2000 to play files back with.

Finally, with DLNA support, you can have the receiver just play back arbitrary conforming streams, and there is software out there to use as a DLNA server. That will allow playback to be completely networked, yet still offer versatile computer-based control. I'm on old stuff that isn't dead yet, so I don't have any experience making use of it, myself, and am not sure how easy it is to actually set up and manage, in practice.
 
Do you want to control this music from a mobile device and do you listen to a music streaming service like Pandora and Spotify?
 
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