Digital Camera need questions....

HardwareAddicted

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So I need to clear out some junk on Ebay and here....
I'm looking at getting a Dig-Cam to help me with this cause...

Canon S400

So would the Canon S400 be overkill for this task ?

Keep in mind that I will use it for other things after the surplus is gone....

Is the quality of 640x480 (original) the same as 1600x1200 reduced to 640x480 ?

Let me know... I'm kinda new to DigCams....

~ Mark

Edited for link to Canon S400
 

Mark R

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If all you are going to use it for is web and e-mail, then a basic 1-2 Mp camera would be OK.

I don't think that you'd go wrong with the s400 though. 4 Mp is more than adequate for printing photos on a decent printer (though don't expect 10x8s).

Canon do have a good reputation - personally, I want a Canon Eos-10D, but it's too much money - I might get a Canon G3 instead.
 

ed21x

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hmm.. i believe if you want 640x480 pictures, it would be better to shoot at that resolution rather than letting the computer decide which pixels to eliminate. Though I've had a great experience with my canon s200 there are also quite a few other companies that makes quality products- mainly sony, minolta, fujifilm, olympus that all offer excellent pciture quality.
 

Ice9

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Originally posted by: Mark R
If all you are going to use it for is web and e-mail, then a basic 1-2 Mp camera would be OK.

I don't think that you'd go wrong with the s400 though. 4 Mp is more than adequate for printing photos on a decent printer (though don't expect 10x8s).

Canon do have a good reputation - personally, I want a Canon Eos-10D, but it's too much money - I might get a Canon G3 instead.

I have a 10D and love it :)
 

Ice9

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Originally posted by: Mark R
If all you are going to use it for is web and e-mail, then a basic 1-2 Mp camera would be OK.

I don't think that you'd go wrong with the s400 though. 4 Mp is more than adequate for printing photos on a decent printer (though don't expect 10x8s).

Canon do have a good reputation - personally, I want a Canon Eos-10D, but it's too much money - I might get a Canon G3 instead.

I have a 10D and love it :)
 

Lalakai

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Really consider just what you will be using the camera for; that will give you major emphasis for pixel density. If the primary purpose will be for posting pics of items for sale, stay with the camera's that give you 1-2 mp; you won't need more. As was also noted earlier, rather then taking a higher density picture then reducing it, stay with the lesser density.

If you are opting for more situations that you will utilize higher resolution pics, the huge percentage of your pics should be easily covered by a camera that gives you 4 mp, so unless you have major bucks to burn, you should consider staying in that range.

Brand and type are a whole different ball game and i recommend that you get to a camera store and actually play with the different units to see which one "feels" best in your hands. Each camera has a slightly different layout and logical sequencing of their functions, and these differences will appeal to different people. The only way you're gonna find your comfort zone is by picking up the different cameras and playing with them.

Lense quality was mentioned and that does weigh in, but for most circumstances, the differences aren't noticeable. If you were a professional or semi-professional grade who did alot of work with the cameras, you might see the differences, but otherwise you probably wouldn't notice.

Something to consider especially in light of your desire to use the camera for taking pics of sale items: close focus capabilities. There are some large differences between different cameras as to their close focus ranges. Be sure to explore those options on the different cameras you're considering.

Digital Review is a good source of some very indepth reviews and analysis of different cameras, capabilities, strengths and weaknesses.

a long response but rather then guiding you toward a specific camera, hopefully i made you consider why you are buying a digital and what you are expecting from it, and how to find the camera that best suits your specific needs. Have fun
 

AtomicDude512

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Originally posted by: HardwareAddicted
Originally posted by: crip11
Get at least a 2.0 MP and stay w/ Canon if you can.

WHY ??

I heard that Canon was a good camera.... esp the lens....

~ Mark

Because 4.0 Megapixels is over kill for internet based tasks. You can do with 1.5-2.5 Megapixels.

I like my Dad's new Toshiba PDR-M25. :D
 

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I have owned an S110 (like the S400 but with only 2.1MP) and currently own an S230 (like the S400 but with 3MP). To me, I would compare my S230 to a high-end point and shoot camera.

The S230 - which should be similar to the S400 on most of these - takes very good pictures. I recently carried it around on a 2 month trip to New Zealand and I have been printing and sorting the 1200 photos that I took. Now that I have had time to look at the photos that I took, I have been very pleased with the S230. Many of the outdoor shots are clear and crisp, the colors are good but tending towards muted. But the detail is very good. Even a night shot that I took of the southern hemisphere's sky came out pretty well (played with the manual settings for a while and used a tripod for this shot).

The controls are very much point and shoot. You have only rudimentary controls for adjusting white balance and auto-focus. There is no raw output mode. There is ISO adjustment but it's buried deep in the menus.

The flash is brilliant white and produces a little bit of wash-out and yet is not particularly powerful either. Low-light response of the camera is not wonderful (not surprising given the tiny lens) and most shots indoors at night will require a flash, or a tripod. Colors tend towards the bland side.

Overall, if you are looking for a small compact camera that takes good (but not spectacularly good) pictures and you aren't interesting in a lot of manual control, the S200, S230, S330 and S400 are definitely worth a look. I wanted a simple, small digital point-and-shoot and I have been very pleased with my S230. If you are currently using a point-n-shoot conventional such as those made by Minolta or Canon, or something similar, then you will definitely be impressed with an S400. I think mine, coupled with a Canon i950 printer, takes significantly better pictures than a regular point-n-shoot and photo processing at one of the big chains (Target, Walmart, etc.). If you are currently using an SLR and take your photos to a professional developer, you may be disappointed at the lack of manual flexibility and may want consider an Olympus 5050, or a Canon G3.

I highly recommend reading the reviews over at www.steves-digicams.com and www.dpreview.com.

I personally think that an S400 would be way over the top for simply taking Ebay photos. You could get away with a much cheaper 2MP camera and have more than sufficient quality. Also, don't get fooled by megapixel marketing. For web applications, 1.3MP is enough. If you are planning on using this long term to replace a conventional camera, and if you think most of your photos will be 4x6 with an occassional 5x7, then 2MP will be enough. If you plan on lots of 5x7's and the occassional 8x10 (which is where I am), then 3MP is enough. If you plan on lots of 8x10's then 4MP is enough. The use of digital zoom and cropping increase the need for higher megapixels, but I rarely crop my photos and my hands aren't steady enough for digital zoom anyway.
 

HardwareAddicted

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I must say that you all have given me very good info for me to think about...

I should go on to say that I have a 1.3MP no-name POS and it should have come from a cereal box.
I also own a waterproof 35mm from Nikon that is ok... and has been my main cam for summer, camping... ect...

Also that I will go on to use this for 5x7's and maybe larger pics later when I get beter with it... so I think I would grow into it.

I have a good HP 970 or something printer that would be fun to print my own pics on....

So I'm sure I will end up useing the S400 for everything in no time... but my first use would be Ebay and of course here... FS/FT forums.

I don't see myself using 1600x1200 right out of the box... I just need good quality close-ups that are small enuf for the web... and 56k people to see.

I looked, and the S400 has a 2inch close-up range...so that's not too bad either....

In short, I'm leaning towards the S400...

ALthough I wonder about some reailers I see out there... and gray market stuff...

Tell me what you think about these guys... Pass Buy Inc.

No ressellerratings were listed.... but their phone # works and they seem to be out right now.

LMK what you think... :)

And thx again to all who posted...

~ Mark
 

HardwareAddicted

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Well... I just won an auction on eBay for a new S400 + 256 Cf card.

So I guess it's all over but the paperwork now...

I got out for less than $500 for the Cam, CF card + shipping to me.

I guess I could do worse....

~ Mark
 

Wingznut

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Yes, 4.0mp is overkill for web tasks. However....

Once you get this camera, you'll be using more than you ever thought you would. And (as long as you can afford it) you'll be very glad that you went with a high quality camera.

I own both a S200 and S400 (although, I have to return the S400 since it was DOA), and I absolutely love the Canon's size and quality.
 

nguyendot1

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Originally posted by: Ice9
Originally posted by: Mark R
If all you are going to use it for is web and e-mail, then a basic 1-2 Mp camera would be OK.

I don't think that you'd go wrong with the s400 though. 4 Mp is more than adequate for printing photos on a decent printer (though don't expect 10x8s).

Canon do have a good reputation - personally, I want a Canon Eos-10D, but it's too much money - I might get a Canon G3 instead.

I have a 10D and love it :)

I have a 10D with the 18-35 L series lens, and 35-80L series, as well as 35-80USM IS (image stabilizer) lens, as well as the vertical grip (2 BP-512 batteries ...800+ shots droooool), and the 550EX canon speedlite. I loooove this camera, its so fast and so clear, and I can use all the stuff from my EOS-3 with it... Now...if only nikon came out with a newer camera than their D100, i could use all my F5 stuff with it :D
BTW.. the Oly C5050 is an awesome camera, I have that sitting in the closet too, i just got it to replace my nikon CP5000...dreadfully slow... It's my Point and shoot hehe.

The S400 is identical internally to the G3, and S45, by the way. The only differences would be that the S400 has a 3x normal lense of F2.8 i think. The G3 has a F2.0 lens identical to the Sony S85 Ziess Lens. Also no manual M/A/S/P modes on the S400, it is pretty much point and shoot. u can change the iso and other simple things, but no manual like the S and G series cameras. This will print out 8x10s just fine, you will like the output, I took pictures with it and printed them on an i850 and i950 and the output is marvelous. Given its not really photo output, its darn close considering the size of this camera.
 

azkiwi

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Asking "what is a good digicam" is like asking "what is a good car".

If you just need to run to the store, a Mercedes is a geat car, but overkill for the job. If you can afford it, you can probably justify it in terms of safety and reliability or that once you have it you might be encouraged to go for longer jaunts.

So it is with cameras...