differences between these AMD CPUs?

[VirtualLarry]

CPU 1

CPU 2

What is the difference? Both are 45W, 2.1Ghz, dual-core, and $69.99 with free shipping. One says 2x512KB cache, one says 1MB cache.

If one has 1MB x 2 cache, that would obviously be preferable, but I can't make out if that is so, or if NewEgg is just combining the cache amounts.

Are these in fact the exact same CPUs, just a change of marketing and packaging?

If they are not the same, then which one is newer? Better? Overclocks more?

 

[ShadowFlareX]

Scouring the net with google, seems the L2 cache is 1MB, not 2x1MB. Maybe AMD simplifies the 2x512kB into just 1MB. Not much info, but it's probably just a re-labeled BE-2350.

A little discussion on BE-2350 vs 4050e

 

[daveybrat]

They are identical in specs. Get the 4050e as it's newer and maybe a newer stepping of X2 as well and may overclock better or run cooler.

 

[robmurphy]

See the following on AMD's website:

http://products.amd.com/en-us/...f7=&f8=&f9=&f10=False&

You also may want to consider the 4850E. That has the same Cache and 45W TDP, but runs at 2.5Ghz

Rob.

 

[GullyFoyle]

Originally posted by: daveybrat
They are identical in specs. Get the 4050e as it's newer and maybe a newer stepping of X2 as well and may overclock better or run cooler.

:thumbsup:

Good instincts, davey. You can see from the link in Rob's post that the 4050e is a newer stepping.

 

[aigomorla]

45W Holy cow thats almost as low as my sossoman chips. :\

i would really love to build one of these guys for a HTPC rig in a gigabyte 780g.

however my greed wouldnt let me justify getting one.

You are aware, (speaking not as an intel fanboy) that a E2180 is only 20W more yet when overclocked will stomp this amd around the world and back in processing power.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Yeah, the 4050e seems like a better choice, after looking at the links on AMD's site. 78C max temp! There's some headroom for overclocking.

 

[ther00kie16]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
45W Holy cow thats almost as low as my sossoman chips. :\

i would really love to build one of these guys for a HTPC rig in a gigabyte 780g.

however my greed wouldnt let me justify getting one.

You are aware, (speaking not as an intel fanboy) that a E2180 is only 20W more yet when overclocked will stomp this amd around the world and back in processing power.

Ok... but how many watts is an overclocked 2180 then? And you can undevolt a lot of the X2s to shave off 10-20 watts.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: ther00kie16

Originally posted by: aigomorla
45W Holy cow thats almost as low as my sossoman chips. :\

i would really love to build one of these guys for a HTPC rig in a gigabyte 780g.

however my greed wouldnt let me justify getting one.

You are aware, (speaking not as an intel fanboy) that a E2180 is only 20W more yet when overclocked will stomp this amd around the world and back in processing power.

Ok... but how many watts is an overclocked 2180 then? And you can undevolt a lot of the X2s to shave off 10-20 watts.

Ummmm.... since when is power conservation factored into overclocking?

Yea if you overclock the C2D and you downvolt the AMD, the AMD will run cooler.

However if you overclocked both the C2D will outsprint the AMD. If your looking for the lowest power draw pc, while running the coolest and holding budget, yes this amd is great. However if your looking for some performance and overclocking, AMD cant win against a C2D.

Now you also want to factor price? Okey so we assume 69.99 for the processor, another 70-100 for the board for a total of somewhere between 140-170 for the board/cpu.

How about this instead for 30-60 dollars more: You cant convince anyone that this isnt a better value.

http://www.netaffilia.com/ads/...board/2008/05/14/32094

 

[ther00kie16]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: ther00kie16

Originally posted by: aigomorla
45W Holy cow thats almost as low as my sossoman chips. :\

i would really love to build one of these guys for a HTPC rig in a gigabyte 780g.

however my greed wouldnt let me justify getting one.

You are aware, (speaking not as an intel fanboy) that a E2180 is only 20W more yet when overclocked will stomp this amd around the world and back in processing power.

Ok... but how many watts is an overclocked 2180 then? And you can undevolt a lot of the X2s to shave off 10-20 watts.

Ummmm.... since when is power conservation factored into overclocking?

Yea if you overclock the C2D and you downvolt the AMD, the AMD will run cooler.

However if you overclocked both the C2D will outsprint the AMD. If your looking for the lowest power draw pc, while running the coolest and holding budget, yes this amd is great. However if your looking for some performance and overclocking, AMD cant win against a C2D.

Now you also want to factor price? Okey so we assume 69.99 for the processor, another 70-100 for the board for a total of somewhere between 140-170 for the board/cpu.

How about this instead for 30-60 dollars more: You cant convince anyone that this isnt a better value.

http://www.netaffilia.com/ads/...board/2008/05/14/32094

Does every post about AMD have to turn into an AMD vs Intel thread? I was merely stating that it seemed you were arguing about 2180's relatively low power draw but then went on to talk about how it performs when overclocked. And if you do want to talk about overclocking, a lot of X2s will reach 3GHz so it didn't seem fair that you were only talking about overclocking the 2180.
I'll just make it clear again that this isn't AMD vs Intel.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: ther00kie16

I'll just make it clear again that this isn't AMD vs Intel.

im not, but it apears the op is in the middle of buying a new computer.

He's choice and factor on the AMD is due to its low power draw and the fact it runs cool.

Also people who pick amd, non phenoms are going after it cuz of the budget aspect to it.



Well i just showed the OP that there are other solutions. Given if he has a AM2 board then yea the intel solutions will suck. Not buying an additional board will save him 70-100 dollars as i said.

But should he be looking at an entirely new computer, i think its our job to let him know that there are much better solutions for a slightly bigger premium.

Also that E8400 deal ends tomorrow, so if he wants that, he needs to jump on it quickly.


I havent said anything bad about AMD besides the fact that Intel will beat them. I dont see how im comparing anything besides giving the OP a recomendation to look at Intel instead if its his main computer.

Larry if you think im wrong, then let me know. :T

 

[formulav8]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the cpu he wants. Stop pushing Intel down everyones throat fannys.

 

[aigomorla]

alright i applogize.

Larry, if you need any more info on anything, drop me a pm. :T

I think i'll keep my fat butt out of this thread seeing how im making people mad. :T

 

[error8]

Actually aigomorla is right, since the OP asks which one of those cpus "overclocks more". If he is thinking about overclocking, maybe he's thinking about gaming and if he does, the e2160-e2180 would be a better choice, since they hit over 3ghz and are very fast at those speeds.
Of course that if he has in mind only a HTPC or just a very silent and cool PC, one of those AMD cpus would be the one to get since 45W is so freaking low .

 

[ajemm]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
45W Holy cow thats almost as low as my sossoman chips. :\

i would really love to build one of these guys for a HTPC rig in a gigabyte 780g.

I'm in the process of doing just that.

Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H
X2 4850e
Scythe Ninja Mini (Passive)
2 x 2GB Geil DDR2 800
Western Digital WD7500AACS 750GB HD
Samsung SH-S203N DVD Drive
Onboard Graphics
Earthwatts 430W PSU

With Cool n Quiet enabled it pulls an amazing 36W at idle!!
Now to find a HTPC case that is worthy of all this hardware.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: DanDeighan

Originally posted by: daveybrat
They are identical in specs. Get the 4050e as it's newer and maybe a newer stepping of X2 as well and may overclock better or run cooler.

:thumbsup:

Good instincts, davey. You can see from the link in Rob's post that the 4050e is a newer stepping.

yes, the 2350 is g1 stepping, the 4050e is g2.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: ajemm

Originally posted by: aigomorla
45W Holy cow thats almost as low as my sossoman chips. :\

i would really love to build one of these guys for a HTPC rig in a gigabyte 780g.

I'm in the process of doing just that.

Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H
X2 4850e
Scythe Ninja Mini (Passive)
2 x 2GB Geil DDR2 800
Western Digital WD7500AACS 750GB HD
Samsung SH-S203N DVD Drive
Onboard Graphics
Earthwatts 430W PSU

With Cool n Quiet enabled it pulls an amazing 36W at idle!!
Now to find a HTPC case that is worthy of all this hardware.

have you seen the $19 hd/dvd deal over in the hot deals forum?

 

[ther00kie16]

Originally posted by: ajemm

Originally posted by: aigomorla
45W Holy cow thats almost as low as my sossoman chips. :\

i would really love to build one of these guys for a HTPC rig in a gigabyte 780g.

I'm in the process of doing just that.

Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H
X2 4850e
Scythe Ninja Mini (Passive)
2 x 2GB Geil DDR2 800
Western Digital WD7500AACS 750GB HD
Samsung SH-S203N DVD Drive
Onboard Graphics
Earthwatts 430W PSU

With Cool n Quiet enabled it pulls an amazing 36W at idle!!
Now to find a HTPC case that is worthy of all this hardware.

Just beware that the 780g doesn't do lossless (only compressed) surround sound over HDMI. If you want that, you'll switch over to nvidia 8200. Also, I would recommend the Thermaltake dh101. It's styling is very nice and has a lot of features for $200 at Directron.
And you may want to change the Earthwatts to a different one as the 430W seems to be more problematic than either the 380W or the 500W, both of which will provide plenty of power for that system. The 380W is at buy.com for $25 after rebate or $30 after rebate at newegg.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
im not, but it apears the op is in the middle of buying a new computer.

He's choice and factor on the AMD is due to its low power draw and the fact it runs cool.

Also people who pick amd, non phenoms are going after it cuz of the budget aspect to it.

That was generally the idea. It's a proposed build for a friend. He wants something cheap to watch HD videos on, so I thought that a 780G board would be a perfect solution. Thus needing an AM2 CPU, and a Phenom is overkill for him (not to mention, 780G boards don't support 125W CPUs), so a nice cheap power-efficient X2 is also the preferred solution.

Besides, if you don't support AMD once in a while, they are going to die for sure. And even the Intel fans don't want that to happen, because prices will go back up just like the bad old days before AMD was serious competition. Paying $500 for a "budget" CPU? No thanks.

But should he be looking at an entirely new computer, i think its our job to let him know that there are much better solutions for a slightly bigger premium.

Not always. Not everyone wants an electric guitar just because they put out more sound. Some people prefer acoustic. Trying to shove an electric down their throats is unhelpful.

Btw, this person in question is still using a P3 866MHz, so an AMD X2 will be light-years faster, even if it isn't the absolute fastest CPU on the planet.
Edit: He's also not into PC gaming. He does do some DVD ripping and re-encoding though.

 

[robmurphy]

I've just updated a S939 HP machine. I used the Gigabyte 780G motherbord and the 4850E CPU. I'm using the same OS (XP Pro) Case, harddisk, DVD drives, PSU. All that has changed is the Motherboard, CPU, and memory. I'm using the onboard graphics instead of the old ATI X300 card that was in the machine before.

I re-used the Coolermaster HSF that was cooling the S939 CPU. The reason for this is that is much more substantial than the one supplied with the CPU. The Coolermaster HSF was for the CPU originaly fitted to the machine which was an Athlon 3200+. That CPU has a TDP of 89W. I've run the CPU at 3 Gig with prime 95 running on both cores. The CPU temp reported by the gigabyte easytune software was 41-42 C. Running under light load at 2.5 Gig (i.e. stock) its showing 31-32 C. The room temp was probably about 20 - 25 C.

One point about the Gigabyte motherboard is that it has no parallel port at the back. It does have a header for it at the front of the motherboard but you would need to obtain a lead to connect to that header. If your friend has an old machine they may still be using parallel ports.

Rob.

 

[bradley]

I would never have known about the 4050e (or the G2 stepping) if not for this thread. While you can read about the Intel E2xxx wherever and whenever the a discussion turns to low-end computers. Although I could never consider a cache crippled chip a viable option myself, at least not since the Celeron 300A.

 

[cparker]

Virtual Larry:

Your friend would do just fine with that processor and the gigabyte board. I'd also second getting the earthwatts 380 ps as the more expensive models are unecessary. He'll be blown away by the performance difference. I'm typing this on a new build with that gigabyte 780g board using the amd single core le-1640 2.6 ghz chip with vista hp 32 with 2 gigs ram. It's as fast, crisp, quiet and cool as I ever could hope for, no overclocking needed. For desktop apps, surfing even programming (VS 2008 express editions), couldn't ask for anything more. Just plugging a two channel speaker into the board and the sound is much better than earlier integrated sound on other motherboards I have, not to mention the graphics, which is just fine for Vista aero and for multimedia playback. I'm real curious about whether having a faster machine with higher end graphics would be better for most people who aren't interested in gaming or serious video rendering applications. I suspect not. If you get the gigabyte board, be sure to upgrade catalyst to v 8.4, if you have 8.3 on the cd that comes with it. Also bios to f3 (from earlier versions if necessary).