diff between yate loon and nexus

[MidNiteMysT]

http://www.jab-tech.com/customer/product.php?productid=3009
http://www.jab-tech.com/customer/product.php?productid=2856
whats the deal with these fans? is it the same as the nexus fan since its the same company that makes the nexus fans? whats the diff? they even share the same model number yet the nexus is almost double the price

yate loon 8.99
nexus 15.49

i think im gonna need like 3 of em so price matters

btw, whats the diff between zalman fanmate 1 and 2 other then where the wire comes out of the unit? any fuctionality differences and is there a fan controller like that but for 4 pin instead of 3 pin?

 

[Zepper]

The yate loon is raw - to get the same quietness as the Nexus you will have to supply your own dropping resistor or fan controller. The nexus has a dropping resistor built in to lock it to the ~1000 rpm speed. The YL isn't any quieter than a number of others at full cry. But it does look like the YL can run at a bit lower voltage than most (the typical working range is 7 volts to 13.6 volts or so) but some (like my Sanyo-Denki) have a much narrower working range (10-13.6V in my case).
. SVC.com may still be selling the CoolerMaster Aerogate 1 for $5. (see my review here: http://www.techimo.com/reviews/ ) which controls 4 fans... Lessee, three YL + AG1 = 2 Nexi +$4... Hmmm...

.bh.

 

[Tiamat]

jab-tech.com

they have quantity ordering.

Yateloon is slightly louder than nexus at full bore for reasons zepper stated. Yateloon runs at 1200rpm and nexus at 1000rpm.

If you have a fan controller (highly recommended) you can take this fan speed down to the noise level and speed of the nexus by dropping to roughly 9-10V. At 7V both nexus and yateloon are very very quiet. At 5 V, you will not hear it under even very low ambient noise.

 

[Zepper]

At 300mA, the Yate Loon ought to be running a lot faster than 1200 at full speed.

.bh.

 

[MidNiteMysT]

actually i found that it spins at 1350
http://www.yateloon.com/dcfan-2.htm
im not exactly sure how loud 28 db is. im wondering how many nexus fans and how many yate loons to order. should i get 1 yate loon for the ehxaust fan since i want negitive pressure and 2 nexus for the cpu and intake or should i just spend a little extra cash and order all 3 nexus fans. these fans are gonna be controlled via the mother board automatically cept maybe the cpu fan so maybe the yate loons are a good idea since they wont be on full power all the time cept when the comp starts to get hot.

 

[Dynamix3D]

Originally posted by: MidNiteMysT
actually i found that it spins at 1350
http://www.yateloon.com/dcfan-2.htm
im not exactly sure how loud 28 db is. im wondering how many nexus fans and how many yate loons to order. should i get 1 yate loon for the ehxaust fan since i want negitive pressure and 2 nexus for the cpu and intake or should i just spend a little extra cash and order all 3 nexus fans. these fans are gonna be controlled via the mother board automatically cept maybe the cpu fan so maybe the yate loons are a good idea since they wont be on full power all the time cept when the comp starts to get hot.

Here is what I suggest. Get all Yate Loon's. Do not buy any Nexus fans, as they are a rip off in my opinion. The Nexus fan is just a lower speed Yate Loon anyway, rebaged, and sold at a higher price.

Invest in a decent fan controller (I have a sunbeam which was less than $20 shipped). Hook up all your Yate Loon fans to the fan controller, and have whatever speeds you want. If you want quietness, then lower the voltage to around 5-7v, and if you want better peformance, then keep them at 12v. If you are like me, I run my fans at around 7v while doing normal tasks like browsing, chat, listen to music, etc. And when I'm gaming I crank my fans up to the full 12v so that everything runs nice and cool, and since I'm gaming the noise from the fans won't bother me because I either have my headphones on, or my surround sound really loud anyway.

Also you can order your fans from Tekgems which has the best deal going on these Yate Loons. If you order 5, they are only $6.99 each.
http://tekgems.com/Products/et-13713-fan-d12sl-12.htm

 

[Zepper]

You do not want fans that are already controlled/limited (like the Nexus and Silenx) as they have no where to go but DOWN. Get the Yate Loons if any. bgmicro has some nice 120mm fans - one is an NMB Smart Fan with a range from below 50CFM to 120CFM - it's easy to bypass the thermal sensor and control it yourself for intake or CPU fans. NBMs are exceptionally well made (i.e. not in the PRC). Oh, the price you ask? Less than $4. each!
. You just have to put your own connector on 'en or just splice them in.

.bh.

 

[Operandi]

Go with the Yate Loon's.

If find them too loud you can slow them down by adding a fan controller. Or.., what I prefer run the fans of the MB fan headers and use SpeedFan to control them automatically based on system, CPU, or HD temps.

 

[MidNiteMysT]

i decided to go with yate loon for my intake and exhaust fans. now all i have to decide is what i want to do for the cpu fan because i dont think i can control the speed of the fan via the fan header for the cpu because it has 4 pins, not molex, looks like a 3 pin connector cept 4 pin. i think it makes it work at 100% all the time, so im wondering if i should get the nexus for the cpu if thats the case. and for the other fan (slot fan), its connected to the aux fan header which is the same deal as the cpu so i think it runs at 100% all the time too. i think i might get a fanmate for that. it would awesome if someone knew if its possible to control the speed of the cpu fan and aux fan headers via software. i thought about getting the 4 fan controller but thats just annoying. ide rather have it controlled via software.

 

[Operandi]

Originally posted by: MidNiteMysT
i decided to go with yate loon for my intake and exhaust fans. now all i have to decide is what i want to do for the cpu fan because i dont think i can control the speed of the fan via the fan header for the cpu because it has 4 pins, not molex, looks like a 3 pin connector cept 4 pin. i think it makes it work at 100% all the time, so im wondering if i should get the nexus for the cpu if thats the case. and for the other fan (slot fan), its connected to the aux fan header which is the same deal as the cpu so i think it runs at 100% all the time too. i think i might get a fanmate for that. it would awesome if someone knew if its possible to control the speed of the cpu fan and aux fan headers via software. i thought about getting the 4 fan controller but thats just annoying. ide rather have it controlled via software.

Sounds like your describing the new Intel designed 4 pin (PWM) connector. You can see and read about it here .3 pin fans are also controlled by PWM so I'm not exactly sure what the 4th pin adds, maybe better control over the fan speeds?

It may be possible to connect a 3 pin fan to a 4 pin connector and still have it be controlled but I never thought to try it. Maybe somone else has some more information.

 

[MidNiteMysT]

yea, it looks like you cant controll the speed if you connect a 3pin to the mother board. its supposed to be for more high powered fans or some bulls hit like that.

http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/CS-012074.htm

i decided to go with 2 yate loons and 1 nexus so just incase i wont be able to control the cpu fan and the yate loons might be too loud. if i could only find a way for the mobo to control a 3pin fan... intel pisses me off sometimes....

 

[Operandi]

Originally posted by: MidNiteMysT
yea, it looks like you cant controll the speed if you connect a 3pin to the mother board. its supposed to be for more high powered fans or some bulls hit like that.

http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/CS-012074.htm

i decided to go with 2 yate loons and 1 nexus so just incase i wont be able to control the cpu fan and the yate loons might be too loud. if i could only find a way for the mobo to control a 3pin fan... intel pisses me off sometimes....

I'm not sure exactly what the 4th is for; Intel dose a pretty sh!tty job or describing it. I do know it has something to do with the PWM control though, my guess is it offers a greater range of control then what you typically get from standard 2-3 (power/ground) pin fans.

Have you tried connecting a 3 pin fan to the board and controlling it through software (SpeedFan) or the BIOS?

It doesn?t make much sense to put a slower/quieter Nexus on the heatsink when you will have slightly louder/faster Yate Loon's in the exhaust and intake positions. The case fans will be far more audible then the CPU fan buried within your case. Regardless though; I think you will be happy with Yate Loon's all around, they are very smooth fans all you will hear is slight air turbulence.

Lastly what board do you have anyway?

 

[MidNiteMysT]

yes, if that was the case, it wouldnt make sense but the thing is, the yate loons wont be on full power all the time like the nexus. the intake and exhaust fans will be controlled by the mother board so they will be nice and quiet most of the time since they wont be on full speed all the time. i have tried speedfan, but the thing is, my current cpu fan doesnt have rpm sensing, so maybe thats a reason why i wasnt able to control it. i also have the intel desktop control center to control my fans. when i get my nexus and yate loons in, we will see if im able to control the cpu fan. and i believe i have the d925xecv2 board. i think i remember seeing a intel support article about the 4 pin header and they have 2 grounds instead of one.

 

[teutonicknight]

From what I've read, the Nexus's are more pricy because of quality control (all the N* fans are tested before shipment, were as the YL's are not. More chance of getting goods fans from N* I suppose.)

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

How fast can you get the Yate Loons to spin though? Like 1600 RPM?

http://www.jab-tech.com/customer/product.php?productid=3009&cat=0&page=1

0.3 amp is like 30 - 40 CFM. Don't they have high RPM fans? I want something like a Panaflo high speed so I can drop them down to like 25ish dB while I want it quiet, and crank it up when I game.

Or maybe Yate Loon just isn't for me? =(

 

[Tiamat]

I stand corrected.

Also,
The medium speed yateloon (black instead of orange) spins at 1600 rpm @ 12V afaik.

Yateloon at 12V moves quite enough air. Don't have to be caught up by numbers as they are all questionable anyways. Unless you tell me they came from a properly anenometer etc.

Nexus is stock quiet. Yateloon D12SL can be made as quiet with a fan controller, and is arguably (sp?) more versatile since it has the faster 12V spin.

I cannot think of any normal situation where the Yateloon cannot move enough air through the case, or through an XP120 or any other application excepting, perhaps, water cooling radiators (since i have no experience with them).

Will your temps be as low as if you had a Delta 120? probably not. Will your computer be the same stability-wise, I would say yes.

 

[MidNiteMysT]

damnit! i got my fans and installed em and had to dremel the yate loon one so i could use rubber fan mount things and when i turned on the computer, i finally noticed that they didnt have rpm sensing!! thats almost the main reason why i switched fans. i had no idea they didnt come with rpm sensing. the nexus came with it tho. although unfortunately, i cant adjust the speed on it. i guess i have to return the yate loons because without rpm sensing, i didnt do much.

and quite frankly, im kinda disappointed in the amount of temperature difference by using the nexus fan on my cpu. i guess ill test it tomorrow under stress to see how much more under load.

 

[The Pentium Guy]

and quite frankly, im kinda disappointed in the amount of temperature difference by using the nexus fan on my cpu. i guess ill test it tomorrow under stress to see how much more under load.

They're made to be quiet, not to push insane amounts of air .

 

[MidNiteMysT]

Originally posted by: The Pentium Guy

and quite frankly, im kinda disappointed in the amount of temperature difference by using the nexus fan on my cpu. i guess ill test it tomorrow under stress to see how much more under load.

They're made to be quiet, not to push insane amounts of air .

yea i know, im just saying i didnt expect that big of a temp difference.

so i guess i should be returning these yate loons. is there a fan like the yate loon with rpm sensing? i wish someone would have told me about the rpm sensing before i bought em. are all the yate loons without rpm sensing?

when i asked whats the dif between yate loon and nexus, everyone failed to mention the rpm sensing. i explained it a few times how i needed it. i even emailed the store and they also didnt mention it. is rpm sensing supposed to come with the yate loon fans? did i get a different stock of them or something where they stopped putting them in? it seems odd that everyone would forget that difference if it existed.

 

[Dynamix3D]

I never understand why people care so much about RPM sensing? What advantage do you have by knowing how fast the fan is spinning? Please enlighten me someone. I honestly can care less about how many RPM it is, as long as its quiet, and cools well I don't see the big issue.

 

[MidNiteMysT]

ok, ill enlighten you. i wouldnt give a sh!t about rpm sensing unless it had a real purpose other then just knowing the speed of the fan. and that purpose is to let my computer adjust the speed of the fan according to what temperature certain zones of my computer is. so basically, no rpm sensing, no automatically adjusting the fans according to temp of comp

can someone please answer my previous post?

 

[Dynamix3D]

Originally posted by: MidNiteMysT
ok, ill enlighten you. i wouldnt give a sh!t about rpm sensing unless it had a real purpose other then just knowing the speed of the fan. and that purpose is to let my computer adjust the speed of the fan according to what temperature certain zones of my computer is. so basically, no rpm sensing, no automatically adjusting the fans according to temp of comp

can someone please answer my previous post?

Well yes I guess that is a vaild reason then Although I don't have that issue because I like to controll my fans manually via my fan controller. So yea I guess in your case I can see why not having it is a problem. Anyway good luck with your situation. I just ordered 5 yate loons last week, and I'm waiting for them too arrive. Should be here monday or tuesday.

 

[milleron]

Originally posted by: Dynamix3D
I never understand why people care so much about RPM sensing? What advantage do you have by knowing how fast the fan is spinning? Please enlighten me someone. I honestly can care less about how many RPM it is, as long as its quiet, and cools well I don't see the big issue.

For one thing, there have been BIOS versions that don't allow POST to proceed unless they sense a CPU fan turning.

Ron

 

[mechBgon]

so i guess i should be returning these yate loons.

You took a Dremel to them. Too late now.

For those who would like to spend the Yate Loon price for the Nexus noise level (or lower), consider simply running the fan at 7 volts by modifying a 4-to-3-pin adapter (move the wire that hosts the fan's ground wire over to the +5V position in the 4-pin shell).

I know it's fun to vary the fan speed, but let's be realistic... even at 7 volts, running probably 800-900rpm, the Yate Loon will be moving something like 25-30cfm. That, combined with the exhaust of your PSU, is probably replacing all the air in your case every 10 seconds or less. Do you really need more case airflow than that? There might be reasons to focus airflow on particular items (I use a low-speed 120mm up front to focus some flow on my HDD rack) but don't spend all your pizza money if you don't have to

 

[MidNiteMysT]

forget it, i figured it out.... I didn't notice the 3rd wiring going into the mother board because it was kinda hiding behind the other two wires and the black housing. once I looked at it and found out that 3 wires were actually connected, I went into my Intel desktop control center program and had to redetect the fans. I didn't know I had to redetect the fans since it would do that every time it boots up but I guess not.
but now its good and im happy didnt get the noise level i would have liked tho, its not that much quieter