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Discussion Didn't know Government food commodities are still around.

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Jaskalas

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Cutting money going into the hands of the market.
And increasing government means of production.

Didn't realize Trump was a socialist, I mean communist.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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I'm thinking that Food Stamps did a lot to keep smaller grocery store and chains in business during the Great Repression. They certainly kept me fed while I was waiting for my disability benefits.
Okay, they kept you fed. What does that have to do with smaller grocery stores? Their items are ALL $1 more expensive than if you bought the same thing at Walmart. If you are trying to survive, you go with the cheapest option. That's not any small grocery store.
 

whm1974

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Okay, they kept you fed. What does that have to do with smaller grocery stores? Their items are ALL $1 more expensive than if you bought the same thing at Walmart. If you are trying to survive, you go with the cheapest option. That's not any small grocery store.
At the time there was a local grocery store about roughly two or three blocks from me. Prices were quite reasonable. Walmart was much farther away.
 

Jhhnn

No Lifer
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I'm thinking that Food Stamps did a lot to keep smaller grocery store and chains in business during the Great Repression. They certainly kept me fed while I was waiting for my disability benefits.
Shee-it. If it weren't for various federal transfer programs commerce itself would cease to exist in some parts of this country. It takes a certain minimum cash flow to keep the doors open. That's true of basic services as well.

The Job Creator way of distributing the fruits of progress leaves more people behind all the time, particularly in rural/ small town America. Want more? We won't get it waiting around for them to give it to us voluntarily.
 

Jhhnn

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Okay, they kept you fed. What does that have to do with smaller grocery stores? Their items are ALL $1 more expensive than if you bought the same thing at Walmart. If you are trying to survive, you go with the cheapest option. That's not any small grocery store.
Supermarkets require a certain amount of cashflow to be profitable. Mom & Pop markets fill in the gaps. They charge higher prices because they can't keep the doors open otherwise.

The other side of it is that people have to get there to buy anything. Some people have to walk.

http://americannutritionassociation.org/newsletter/usda-defines-food-deserts
 

whm1974

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pauldun170

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I recall my mother getting some commodites during the late 70's and early 80's, such as government cheese and peanut butter and some canned juices and meats(beef?). Well I know they still existed but only for Food Banks, schools, prisons, and the like.

I was unaware that people are still getting government cheese as I can recall was fairly decent at home and at school, and really enjoyed the peanut butter as well.

Well Trump is considering cutting Food Stamps in half and increasing the Box of Commodities to much more people.
https://money.cnn.com/2018/02/16/news/economy/government-food-box/index.html
While I'm not opposed to more people getting the "Box", I think it is a bad idea to cut Food Stamps, in fact we should be increasing them so no one in the US has Food Insecurity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_security

Thoughts?
Workflow is this.
2019-20120
Cut Assistance in half.
Increase box of commodity items
Supplies come from vendors with best lobbyists.
2020-2021
Cut commodity supplies in half and come up with grant program for curch food drives
2022-2023
Eliminate commodity supplies program. Praise success of funneling money to churches.
 

whm1974

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Supermarkets require a certain amount of cashflow to be profitable. Mom & Pop markets fill in the gaps. They charge higher prices because they can't keep the doors open otherwise.

The other side of it is that people have to get there to buy anything. Some people have to walk.

http://americannutritionassociation.org/newsletter/usda-defines-food-deserts
I wonder if it would be practical to give subsidies or taxes breaks so grocery stores and farmer's market can be located in those areas?
 

Jhhnn

No Lifer
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I wonder if it would be practical to give subsidies or taxes breaks so grocery stores and farmer's market can be located in those areas?
Existing subsidies arrive in the form of SNAP benefits.
 

IronWing

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I wonder if it would be practical to give subsidies or taxes breaks so grocery stores and farmer's market can be located in those areas?
The city where I grew up did just that. They offered a rent subsidy to get grocery stores into the urban core that was what we would now call a "food desert". It worked.
 

whm1974

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The city where I grew up did just that. They offered a rent subsidy to get grocery stores into the urban core that was what we would now call a "food desert". It worked.
Can you still use Food Stamps to buy Seeds for a food garden? They did back when I was a minor.
 

rommelrommel

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It just seems really inefficient. Why not just use the existing food distribution system?
Ie supermarkets and a flexible system of credits (ie food stamps) so recipients can leverage the free market to maximize their benefit?

It's a dumb idea on multiple levels.
Can’t have people using food stamps to buy smokes and beer. Much better to make a convoluted government program to deliver heavy, bulky, and perishable goods.
 

whm1974

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Sorry guys, I didn't the this was a year ago. I really need to check the dates of any news articles I post.
 

Perknose

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Okay, they kept you fed. What does that have to do with smaller grocery stores? Their items are ALL $1 more expensive than if you bought the same thing at Walmart. If you are trying to survive, you go with the cheapest option. That's not any small grocery store.
And you drive to that Walmart in the car you don't have!
 

Perknose

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Can’t have people using food stamps to buy smokes and beer. Much better to make a convoluted government program to deliver heavy, bulky, and perishable goods.
The reason for this is the huge subsidies we pay to farmers, by buying up their excess product. Our gubmint then has to unload this surplus somehow, somewhere, since it does COST to keep it all piling up in warehouses.
 

whm1974

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The reason for this is the huge subsidies we pay to farmers, by buying up their excess product. Our gubmint then has to unload this surplus somehow, somewhere, since it does COST to keep it all piling up in warehouses.
Well they could give boxes of food to people who need them, but without cutting food stamps. I would take the peanut butter at least.
 

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