Didn't 9/11 teach us anything?

[raildogg]

I thought when 9/11 happened people should have gotten the idea that terrorists are really serious about murdering as many Americans as they can. 3,000 people died that day, New York's economy laid in ruins for much time, its finally coming back up thankfully.

But the point is that people to this day think terrorists cant do us any harm. I see it everyday, from people I meet to the people on these forums. They continue to underestimate the viciousness and the pure evil of these terrorist thugs who plan each day to murder as many Americans as they can.

I'm telling you if we ignore terrorists, which thankfully we are not thanks to Bush, there will be a much worse attack on USA.

9/11 happened because we were sleeping while the terrorists were planning the attacks. Our intelligence services failed us, but the sad thing is that noone was held accountable for it.

 

[yobarman]

There's a terrorist in my soup! GET HIM!

 

[BigJ]

You're terrorizing OT with this P&N crap. To Guantanamo for you!

 

[OMG1Penguin]

Woot P&N stray thread.
Do you need me to hold your hand home?

*puts on flame suit*

 

[FoBoT]

90%+ of the people seem to have forgotten the whole thing

 

[raildogg]

shaiiaattt yeah i accidenly clicked on off topic as i was posting this. i meant to put this in P&N, sorry

 

[conjur]

Right now, we are no more and no less safe than we were before 9/11. What's that say about how effective Bush has been as a President? Actually, I'd say we really are less safe.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: conjur
Right now, we are no more and no less safe than we were before 9/11. What's that say about how effective Bush has been as a President? Actually, I'd say we really are less safe.

You may be right. But one has to consider that the Bush administration has not let another attack happen on America since 9/11.

Some might say the Iraq war created more terrorists, but i dont. those that were going to be terrorists anyway didnt care about the Iraq war. and those that hated us in the Arab and muslim world, hate us whether we went to war with Iraq or not.

but i think we could do a better public relations campaign with the muslim world, to help them better understand us.

 

[Stunt]

If you think terrorism is a new thing...you are seriously wrong. These attacks have gone on for years. By muslims, christians and all different races.

The US government has always kept tabs on potential terrorists, remember it was under Bush's watch that the attack occured. So how you can thank bush for slowing terrorism is mind boggling.
I mean the guy has created MORE enemies. There not only is a select few regions with US hatred...but even within your own allies. I condemn this wholeheartedly...but i see it everyday. There is a genuine sense of american imperialism and unilateralism.

I think what 9/11 should have done is initiated a revamp of intelligence protocols with communications as paramount.
International cooperation is the only way to beat the terrorists.

Not Bush's adventures in Iraq and Syria.
All that did was brought the people to the terrorists. (coming over the borders)
Once the troops are gone...wait and see where they go to find americans to kill...

I can take a guess...can you??

 

[dgevert]

"Don't forget 9/11" he says.

WTF does 9/11 have to do with the war in Iraq? NOTHING! Iraq had NOTHING to do with it. Hussein had NOTHING to do with it.

I'm sick of hearing this claim.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: dgevert
"Don't forget 9/11" he says.

WTF does 9/11 have to do with the war in Iraq? NOTHING! Iraq had NOTHING to do with it. Hussein had NOTHING to do with it.

I'm sick of hearing this claim.

Did I even bring up Iraq into this??!!!!

Iraq is the bigger picture of the war on terror.

and you brought Iraq up not me

 

[conjur]

Ooo...wow...no more attacks in 3 years. I guess it's beyond your abilities to realize Al Qaeda operates in "batch mode". They take years to plan attacks. It was 8 years between the two WTC attacks.

"those that were going to be terrorists anyway didnt care about the Iraq war"

Ah, so, all of the insurgents your ilk likes to call terrorists didn't care that a foreign country had invaded and occupied their homeland?

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Stunt
If you think terrorism is a new thing...you are seriously wrong. These attacks have gone on for years. By muslims, christians and all different races.

The US government has always kept tabs on potential terrorists, remember it was under Bush's watch that the attack occured. So how you can thank bush for slowing terrorism is mind boggling.
I mean the guy has created MORE enemies. There not only is a select few regions with US hatred...but even within your own allies. I condemn this wholeheartedly...but i see it everyday. There is a genuine sense of american imperialism and unilateralism.

I think what 9/11 should have done is initiated a revamp of intelligence protocols with communications as paramount.
International cooperation is the only way to beat the terrorists.

Not Bush's adventures in Iraq and Syria.
All that did was brought the people to the terrorists. (coming over the borders)
Once the troops are gone...wait and see where they go to find americans to kill...

I can take a guess...can you??

Bush was in office for about 8 months or so, so I cant blame him for that. But we surely can blame our intelligence services, CIA and FBI.

I

 

[mordantmonkey]

riiight as though ANY president after september 11th would just ignore terrorism. even bush in his fantasy land could no longer ignore it after 9/11. What has bush done that has kept us safer? let see... diverted resources away from the war on terror to an unnessecary war? it is after all conceded that the war was no longer about WMD's but about human rights. ooohhh wow he created the dept of homeland defense. not really unique, would have been more impressed if he did it prior to 9/11. frankly the reason we are safe is because of the diligence of people in the CIA and the FBI. unfortunately the reason we are not safe is because of some of the past actions of the CIA. I guess with bush in power it's a GOOD thing the president doesn't have as much power as people like to imagine.

 

[dgevert]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: dgevert
"Don't forget 9/11" he says.

WTF does 9/11 have to do with the war in Iraq? NOTHING! Iraq had NOTHING to do with it. Hussein had NOTHING to do with it.

I'm sick of hearing this claim.

Did I even bring up Iraq into this??!!!!

Iraq is the bigger picture of the war on terror.

and you brought Iraq up not me

Actually, you brought up Iraq and the implication was obvious.

It wasn't until we plunged Iraq into chaos, motivating nearly the entire Middle East against us and making Iraq the perfect staging ground for attacks against American citizens that Iraq became a part of the "war on terror." That it's a part of the "war on terror" is because of us.

3,000 innocent Americans died in those towers. How many thousands of innocent Iraqis have to die for something they weren't responsible for? You tell me, Mr. Conservative.

 

[dgevert]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Bush was in office for about 8 months or so, so I cant blame him for that. But we surely can blame our intelligence services, CIA and FBI.

I

Clinton's administration tried to warn Bush that something like 9/11 was possible. Bush ignored these warnings.

 

[raildogg]

lets see ...

Bush has only destroyed the regimes of Afghanistan and Iraq and turned them into "working" democracies. The Taliban are out of power, al qaeda lost its main training ground in Afghanistan. Things there are not perfect, taliban are slipping in and out through the border with Pakistan and even Iran, but again much better than before. NATO plans on sending more troops there I hope, which will help a great deal.

Sure things in Iraq are not going smoothly, but the elections will go ahead and Iraq is on a path to democracy.

Speaking of Clinton, where was he when our embassies were bombed? Kobar tower bombings?
I am not blaming Clinton for these attacks or 9/11, but he could have done A LOT more about terrorism.

Heck when the USS Cole was bombed he pledged to to all he could to bring those that killed the 18 sailors to justice, where'd that go?

 

[sierrita]

What you've failed to learn is that none of the terrorists involved in the attack of 9/11/2001 were from Iraq.

What President Bush has done by attacking the wrong Middle Eastern country is create an invaluable recruitment point for more terrorist militants.

Let us all know when you finally wake up, then we can talk.

Until then, please shut you blather hole, you're making a jackass of yourself.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: dgevert

Originally posted by: raildogg
Bush was in office for about 8 months or so, so I cant blame him for that. But we surely can blame our intelligence services, CIA and FBI.

I

Clinton's administration tried to warn Bush that something like 9/11 was possible. Bush ignored these warnings.

wow now did you just make that up?

 

[kage69]

You may be right. But one has to consider that the Bush administration has not let another attack happen on America since 9/11

Bush does not deserve any credit for al Qaeda's attack methodology, that being to strike and then fade away for several years. This admin has so far played directly into bin Laden's hands. They wanted to draw us into a bogged down conflict which would incite popular world opinion against us and Bush obliged. How many terrorists were in Iraq pre-invasion? What are the estimates now? We shot ourselves in the foot when we mixed our fears concerning the future of the energy market with our struggle against militant Islam.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: dgevert
"Don't forget 9/11" he says.

WTF does 9/11 have to do with the war in Iraq? NOTHING! Iraq had NOTHING to do with it. Hussein had NOTHING to do with it.

I'm sick of hearing this claim.

Did I even bring up Iraq into this??!!!!

Yes, you did.

Iraq is the bigger picture of the war on terror.

It is now that we invaded it and brought terrorists into Iraq.

and you brought Iraq up not me

Search this thread and you'll find you brought up Iraq first.

 

[ReiAyanami]

"Bin Laden Determined to Attack Within United States"



"We're gonna find him. WE're gonna get him." -Bush post 9/11

"I don't know where he is... I don't care about him." -Bush, a few months later

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: dgevert

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: dgevert
"Don't forget 9/11" he says.

WTF does 9/11 have to do with the war in Iraq? NOTHING! Iraq had NOTHING to do with it. Hussein had NOTHING to do with it.

I'm sick of hearing this claim.

Did I even bring up Iraq into this??!!!!

Iraq is the bigger picture of the war on terror.

and you brought Iraq up not me

Actually, you brought up Iraq and the implication was obvious.

It wasn't until we plunged Iraq into chaos, motivating nearly the entire Middle East against us and making Iraq the perfect staging ground for attacks against American citizens that Iraq became a part of the "war on terror." That it's a part of the "war on terror" is because of us.

3,000 innocent Americans died in those towers. How many thousands of innocent Iraqis have to die for something they weren't responsible for? You tell me, Mr. Conservative.

actually the countries in the ME are happy that Saddam is no longer in power. Most Iraqi's are happy that hes not in power.

I know most Iraqi's dont want us there, but we have no choice, we have to stay there until the job is done.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: dgevert

Originally posted by: raildogg
Bush was in office for about 8 months or so, so I cant blame him for that. But we surely can blame our intelligence services, CIA and FBI.

I

Clinton's administration tried to warn Bush that something like 9/11 was possible. Bush ignored these warnings.

wow now did you just make that up?

Read this:

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...36&arctab=arc&



And note my 3rd post in this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...55&arctab=arc&

 

[kage69]

I am not blaming Clinton for these attacks or 9/11, but he could have done A LOT more about terrorism.

Then I guess you're pretty steamed at the Pentagon for it's litany of protests when he tried to get them to address the threat. That 'liberal press' is probably equally to blame for hounding him with the 'wag the dog' scenario during a time of brewing trouble as well.



Disclaimer: this is not an excuse for ol Billie's lack of self-control, I believe his indiscretions were shameful, but in the larger scale of things, I'll take hummers in the Oval Office over hummers being shredded with IEDs.