Did you know that Roosevelt forced resource-poor Japan into the war?

[dighn]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: dighn

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Stop trying to moralize reality. It doesn't work. Yes the Japanese were cruel. That's probably part of the reason they got nuked, then nuked again. Nobody felt sorry for them.

you are right. let's ditch morals and do whatever we feel like :roll: glad you are not in charge.

If you were more intelligent, you would have gotten my point, but I guess in your current state I'll need to spoon feed it to you in terms which even you are capable of understanding.

I'm not saying it's right. Not at all. I'm just pointing out the fact that countries will do what's in their best interest- they'll do that which is logical, not that which is emotionally pleasing. Usually they do ditch their morals.

And the over-emotional whining about me not being in charge is just plain senseless. The entire topic- all the things which you are currently whining about- happened with other people in charge, before I was even born. Stop whining are start thinking. Turning a blind eye to reality will not make the world a better place; it will only cripple your understanding of it.

here comes the personal insults :roll:
I understoodd your "point" just fine. was it really logical and necessary to mass murder civilians in cold blood? or performing cruel experiments on them? morals sure could have applied there. I do realize sometimes unpleasant things must be done, but there are also many situations where they happen for no reason except the darker sides of human nature.

I'm done here, reminds me too much of P/N

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Read Hirohito and the Making of Modern Japan. It did win a Pulitzer Prize.

Read Eagle Against the Sun. The best one volume History of the Pacific Theater.

So sorry please thank you *bows at waist* :laugh:


...Galvanized

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: dighn

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Stop trying to moralize reality. It doesn't work. Yes the Japanese were cruel. That's probably part of the reason they got nuked, then nuked again. Nobody felt sorry for them.

you are right. let's ditch morals and do whatever we feel like :roll: glad you are not in charge.

If you were more intelligent, you would have gotten my point, but I guess in your current state I'll need to spoon feed it to you in terms which even you are capable of understanding.

I'm not saying it's right. Not at all. I'm just pointing out the fact that countries will do what's in their best interest- they'll do that which is logical, not that which is emotionally pleasing. Usually they do ditch their morals.

And the over-emotional whining about me not being in charge is just plain senseless. The entire topic- all the things which you are currently whining about- happened with other people in charge, before I was even born. Stop whining and start thinking. Turning a blind eye to reality will not make the world a better place; it will only cripple your understanding of it.

The point of this thread appears to have gone completely over your head. It's not that Japanese have to feel bad about what their country did in the past, it's that these revisionist historians are passing off the blame on someone ELSE.

Your comment on "moralizing reality" makes no sense, because they are denying reality.

 

[chusteczka]

Originally posted by: Martin
http://www.outpostnine.com/editorials/picture.html - 3rd one down.

Roosevelt's Strategy and U.S. Entry into World War II
When President Franklin D. Roosevelt first took office, the U.S. was in the throes of the Great Depression; the economy still had not recovered when his third term began. Early on, Roosevelt had anticipated a major conflict. In 1939, he had resolved to join Great Britain in the war against Germany, but was hampered by American public opinion, which was strongly antiwar. The only option open to Roosevelt, who had been moving forward with his "Plan Victory," was to use embargoes to force resource-poor Japan into war. The U.S. economy made a complete recovery once the Americans entered the war.

I do not see anything wrong with this statement. It is entirely true from the Japanese point of view and even the point of view of someone critical of the U.S. and how the U.S.'s actions affect the rest of the world.

Edit: s/effect/affect/

 

[fitzov]

FDR was the greatest president ever.

 

[compnovice]

Every country spins its history to suit themselves...

The British try to potray themselves as saviors of WW2 who helped save the world against Germany. For us Indians, they were what Hitler was to the Jews....

Its true history is written by the victors....

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: dighn

here comes the personal insults :roll:

No, the personaly insults started with your comment, "you are right. let's ditch morals and do whatever we feel like glad you are not in charge."

I simply replied in kind.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: mugs

The point of this thread appears to have gone completely over your head. It's not that Japanese have to feel bad about what their country did in the past, it's that these revisionist historians are passing off the blame on someone ELSE.

Your comment on "moralizing reality" makes no sense, because they are denying reality.

Do you really think you're the first person to realize that people/countries distort the truth to conform to their actions?

Yes, it's a given that they're distorting reality. I mentioned earlier in this thread that I saw the same thing in Germany. And the US did the same thing about Iraq.

It's not news to me, I'm always skeptical of what I hear.

 

[dighn]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: dighn

here comes the personal insults :roll:

No, the personaly insults started with your comment, "you are right. let's ditch morals and do whatever we feel like glad you are not in charge."

I simply replied in kind.

I'm sorry if you took that personally. wasn't intended to be. what I meant was that a world where morality is trivialized is not one I'd want to live in.