<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Vic
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Here you go. Read his response. The whole "8 months later" thing is as wrong as can be.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/
He gives sources included the script from the Heston speech that occurred two days after the child shooting.
Get ready for the diversion or lack of a response folks!</end quote></div>
Umm... that's about the speech in Denver, near Columbine. We were talking about the one in Flint. That's where the "child shooting" took place.
And while we're on the subject of diversion or lack of response, what about the fact that you ignored my argument that Moore falsely characterized Heston as a racist?</end quote></div>
You didn't respond to my response about the locking of doors...
I am not familiar with the Heston-racist connection as it isn't a main point of the movie and unless someone pointed it out to me, I would not have even known. Let's assume that Moore hates Heston and showed him to be racist and he isn't. I won't even look it up. If that is the case, I believe Moore is wrong and should have kept this to himself...
I underline this because people tend to gloss over these things and then continue to claim "apologists" and other nonsense. If someone does wrong, and it is logical, there is nothing to debate.
However, it is not a major or even minor point of the movie. I file it under Moore's opinions that I don't care about. How does it relate to the idea that Americans are obsessed with guns or the point that Heston had a pro-gun rally 2 days after a child was killed?
With a Moore movie, you have to be able to separate the important , main issues, from his other personal ramblings. The point wasn't to demonize Heston. I believe(and could be wrong), but isn't Heston a little mentally not all there? Regardless, the point is that the country is so obsessed with guns that the Pro-gun rally wasn't even sensitive enough to cancel their event after they heard of the shooting. Sure, it would have cost them money... but sometimes ethics and morality is more important.
you may feel differently.. your opinion may be that the rally shouldn't be cancelled. The wonderful thing about life is that you could come away from movies with your OWN*gasp* conclusions! It never hurts to talk about things such as the disproportionally high gun killings in the U.S.... I don't see anyone ELSE talking about these issues....
For all the bashing of Gore and Moore for their movies.. when was the last time someone on the "right" ever made a movie bringing awareness to ANY issue!? EVER!?!?!?
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Here you go. Read his response. The whole "8 months later" thing is as wrong as can be.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/
He gives sources included the script from the Heston speech that occurred two days after the child shooting.
Get ready for the diversion or lack of a response folks!</end quote></div>
Umm... that's about the speech in Denver, near Columbine. We were talking about the one in Flint. That's where the "child shooting" took place.
And while we're on the subject of diversion or lack of response, what about the fact that you ignored my argument that Moore falsely characterized Heston as a racist?</end quote></div>
You didn't respond to my response about the locking of doors...
I am not familiar with the Heston-racist connection as it isn't a main point of the movie and unless someone pointed it out to me, I would not have even known. Let's assume that Moore hates Heston and showed him to be racist and he isn't. I won't even look it up. If that is the case, I believe Moore is wrong and should have kept this to himself...
I underline this because people tend to gloss over these things and then continue to claim "apologists" and other nonsense. If someone does wrong, and it is logical, there is nothing to debate.
However, it is not a major or even minor point of the movie. I file it under Moore's opinions that I don't care about. How does it relate to the idea that Americans are obsessed with guns or the point that Heston had a pro-gun rally 2 days after a child was killed?
With a Moore movie, you have to be able to separate the important , main issues, from his other personal ramblings. The point wasn't to demonize Heston. I believe(and could be wrong), but isn't Heston a little mentally not all there? Regardless, the point is that the country is so obsessed with guns that the Pro-gun rally wasn't even sensitive enough to cancel their event after they heard of the shooting. Sure, it would have cost them money... but sometimes ethics and morality is more important.
you may feel differently.. your opinion may be that the rally shouldn't be cancelled. The wonderful thing about life is that you could come away from movies with your OWN*gasp* conclusions! It never hurts to talk about things such as the disproportionally high gun killings in the U.S.... I don't see anyone ELSE talking about these issues....
For all the bashing of Gore and Moore for their movies.. when was the last time someone on the "right" ever made a movie bringing awareness to ANY issue!? EVER!?!?!?
