Did you ever notice, we were able to stop Fascism from spreading,

shortylickens

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which is basically what we ended up with ourselves.

Yet, Communism, which is supposedly a far inferior system, has been able to spread despite all our intense efforts.

Does anyone ever think about these things?
 

spaceman

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yeah
i wonder how gthe commies were able to put a man in space 1st
smash into venus with pics in the 70s
 

ichy

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My grandmother grew up under fascism (Austria, at the time a part of Nazi Germany.) Regular attendance at Hitler Youth meetings was mandatory, and one day one of her friends didn't show up. At school the next day she was asked why she didn't go to Hitler Youth, and she said her father didn't want her going anymore. A couple days later the friendly local Gestapo knocked on his door and announced that he was the lucky winner of an all-expenses paid trip to a concentration camp. They told him Dachau was lovely at that time of year, unfortunately it didn't work out too well for him...

THAT is what fascism is.
 

xj0hnx

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which is basically what we ended up with ourselves.

Yet, Communism, which is supposedly a far inferior system, has been able to spread despite all our intense efforts.

Does anyone ever think about these things?

Can you sight some of the examples of "fascism" we are living under here in America?
 

shortylickens

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My grandmother grew up under fascism (Austria, at the time a part of Nazi Germany.) Regular attendance at Hitler Youth meetings was mandatory, and one day one of her friends didn't show up. At school the next day she was asked why she didn't go to Hitler Youth, and she said her father didn't want her going anymore. A couple days later the friendly local Gestapo knocked on his door and announced that he was the lucky winner of an all-expenses paid trip to a concentration camp. They told him Dachau was lovely at that time of year, unfortunately it didn't work out too well for him...

THAT is what fascism is.

Actually, thats not it. That a brutal dictatorship with a strong military regime, which CAN work with fascism from time to time. But they are not the same.


Jesus, the ignorance in this thread is powerful. Can I assume no one on Anandtech actually knows what fascism is?
 

flexy

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Wow..communism in the states? :)

(Side note: I am aware that quite some people use words like "communism" or "socialism". While at the same time i am positive that approx 99,97 percent of people using those words don't even have a remote clue what they really mean...respective ONLY can use them in a ridiculous distorted context because they know it's something "bad" :) )

Edit:

Please clarify and make a choice. Fascism, Communism? What now?
 

shortylickens

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Wow..communism in the states? :)

(Side note: I am aware that quite some people use words like "communism" or "socialism". While at the same time i am positive that approx 99,97 percent of people using those words don't even have a remote clue what they really mean...respective ONLY can use them in a ridiculous distorted context because they know it's something "bad" :)

Actually I didnt mean in the states, I meant throughout the world.
Maybe you heard about a little something called the Korean war? Or Vietnam? Or our neighbors in Cuba? And our number one best buddy China?

Or is everyone hear too fucking young? Or just got a shitty public education?
 

Siddhartha

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http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/fascism

fas·cism (fshzm) KEY

NOUN:

often Fascism
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.

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ETYMOLOGY:
Italian fascismo, from fascio, group, from Late Latin fascium, from Latin fascis, bundle

OTHER FORMS:
fas·cistic (f-shstk) KEY (Adjective)

WORD HISTORY:
It is fitting that the name of an authoritarian political movement like Fascism, founded in 1919 by Benito Mussolini, should come from the name of a symbol of authority. The Italian name of the movement, fascismo, is derived from fascio, "bundle, (political) group," but also refers to the movement's emblem, the fasces, a bundle of rods bound around a projecting axe-head that was carried before an ancient Roman magistrate by an attendant as a symbol of authority and power. The name of Mussolini's group of revolutionaries was soon used for similar nationalistic movements in other countries that sought to gain power through violence and ruthlessness, such as National Socialism.

OP,
What country do you live in? North Korea?
 

shortylickens

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China is not a communist country anymore. Sure they maintain the trappings of communism, but in many ways they are more capitalist than we are at this point.

So we let them have communism and they give it up on their own after 50 years?
Is that our strategy?
 

sao123

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Federalism is not the same as fascism.
I believe we should have a strong centralized democrative government.
The rebublic of 50 states which can do as they please is an epic fail. California & Nevada are prime examples of this failure.
 

PokerGuy

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THAT is what fascism is.

Hey, McStupid, do some reading before posting. Fascism is a political ideology, a economic/political/philosophical system. There are many possible implementations of such a system, you are referring to one particular outcome.
 

Jaskalas

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Federalism is not the same as fascism.
I believe we should have a strong centralized democrative government.
The rebublic of 50 states which can do as they please is an epic fail. California & Nevada are prime examples of this failure.

To put all the eggs in one basket, to have no diverse examples to learn from, your whole system would be the failure instead of just California.
 

MJinZ

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Actually, thats not it. That a brutal dictatorship with a strong military regime, which CAN work with fascism from time to time. But they are not the same.


Jesus, the ignorance in this thread is powerful. Can I assume no one on Anandtech actually knows what fascism is?

You can.
 

Brigandier

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which is basically what we ended up with ourselves.

Yet, Communism, which is supposedly a far inferior system, has been able to spread despite all our intense efforts.

Does anyone ever think about these things?

Did you ever realize that the police use the exact same kind of dogs Nazis used?
 

Lemon law

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Why ask only about just pure communism, pure fascism, or pure capitalism, when humans, through history and have those and many other systems of governance, and we still have not got governance anywhere near correct yet and probably never will.
Human technology keeps getting better, but the human body is little changed in the past 70,000 years.

But systems of governance are just that, figments of the human imagination, and as ideas, they can never be killed.

But we can ask how various system of governance fare as they compete against each other. In the case of fascism, it choose to compete in the military arena, damn near won, but still ended up totally losing in that military arena. As for Communism, the brainchild of Marx and Engels, it was based on the somewhat proved fact that capitalism, if left to only itself, would sow the seeds of its own destruction. Yet in a basically non military race between both systems, it was a modified form of capitalism that out preformed communism, and finally it was that peace monger Gorbachev who threw in the towel and admitted what everyone knew inside the Soviet Union but refused to admit, that a modified form of capitalism had done a better job of utilizing human skills.

But as we, inside of the USA, the winners of the cold war should understand, is that forces of fascism, non regulated capitalism, and regimentation do battle inside of all of us to this day and beyond.

When we get human governance somewhat right, we and the world can prosper, but as soon as we let down or guard, or fail to adapt to change, we sure can screw
up big time.
 

ModestGamer

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federalism is not the same as fascism.
I believe we should have a strong centralized democrative government.
The rebublic of 50 states which can do as they please is an epic fail. California & nevada are prime examples of this failure.


republic
 

hal2kilo

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You got totalitarianism confused with political idealogy. Who gives a fuck whether its fascists or communist. Totalitarianism sucks.
 

QuantumPion

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I disagree with the above dictionary definition of Fascism. While that description is inclusive to Fascism, it is not the definition of Fascism. I think a more global definition would be: A system of government characterized by regulation or control over all aspects of society.

Fascist regimes can be ruled by either dictators, or career bureaucrats, either way the effect is the same. This is different from communism, where the government actually owns everything.

In my opinion, because:
a) our legal system has become so complex and lawyers so expensive that the mere threat of legal action can force you to their will,
b) combined with the regulatory system so bureaucratic, complex and overbearing, controlling every aspect of our lives, that essentially everyone is guilty of breaking some law

we have fascism.