Did USSR collapse because of the U.S. or did it kill itself?

[Anarchist420]

I don't see how it couldn't have killed itself. Ludwig von Mises predicted well before its collapse that it would be due to itself.

I see the same fate for American society if Dr. Paul doesn't become president. Sadly, the U.S. government will just get stronger as the governed get weaker unless Dr. Paul becomes president.

That Reagan caused their collapse is just another myth about that leftist President. It's true that Raygun was a leftist because he was part of the New Right rather than the true conservatives of the Old Right (which is why the Last Jeffersonian Democrat Dr. McDonald identified his JBS with the Old Right rather than the New Right). Raygun was a classic authoritarian and if he had been born in 1811, he would've been a fascist Henry Clay Whig his entire political career. In other words, Raygun was a Lincolnite. See Dr. DiLorenzo's writings, "Hitler was a Lincolnite" and "Henry Clay, National Socialist".

The only excuse I think Reagan could possibly have is if George HW Bush and the other moderate Republicans had his life on him. If that is the case, then Ronald W. Reagan is exonerated. However, if that is not the case, then Raygun was one of the worst Presidents.

 

[shira]

I don't see how it couldn't have killed itself. Ludwig von Mises predicted well before its collapse that it would be due to itself.

I see the same fate for American society if Dr. Paul doesn't become president. Sadly, the U.S. government will just get stronger as the governed get weaker unless Dr. Paul becomes president.

That Reagan caused their collapse is just another myth about that leftist President. It's true that Raygun was a leftist because he was part of the New Right rather than the true conservatives of the Old Right (which is why the Last Jeffersonian Democrat Dr. McDonald identified his JBS with the Old Right rather than the New Right). Raygun was a classic authoritarian and if he had been born in 1811, he would've been a fascist Henry Clay Whig his entire political career. In other words, Raygun was a Lincolnite. See Dr. DiLorenzo's writings, "Hitler was a Lincolnite" and "Henry Clay, National Socialist".

The only excuse I think Reagan could possibly have is if George HW Bush and the other moderate Republicans had his life on him. If that is the case, then Ronald W. Reagan is exonerated. However, if that is not the case, then Raygun was one of the worst Presidents.

Ignoring the more psychotic elements of your post, claiming that "the USSR brought collapse upon itself" and "U.S. actions induced the collapse of the USSR" are mutually exclusive is as irrational as claiming that "the Earth's climate changes naturally" and "anthropogenic CO2 levels cause the Earth's climate to become warmer" are mutually exclusive.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Is your post about the Russian collapse or a way to get a plug in for Paul?

 

[Demo24]

Is your post about the Russian collapse or a way to get a plug in for Paul?

Everything he posts has some plug-in for Paul. He's got a serious man crush on him

 

[Doppel]

If not for Obama the ussr would never have come to power.

 

[palehorse]

I don't know who is nuttier, Ron Paul himself, or his most ardent supporters...

 

[Anarchist420]

I don't know who is nuttier, Ron Paul himself, or his most ardent supporters...

I may be nutty, but Dr. Paul isn't and neither are most of his supporters.

 

[Anarchist420]

Is your post about the Russian collapse or a way to get a plug in for Paul?

What do you mean by plug-in?

To answer your question though, it was mainly about the USSR's collapse.

 

[feralkid]

 

[RabidMongoose]

I could see the US becoming something like former failed oppressive regimes if Racist Ron Paul becomes President. We need to understand that Racist Ron supports a very strong government that abrogates many of the rights that individuals enjoy today. It's just that he does this while bashing against the federal government. It's all a ploy to empower many state governments to ridiculous proportions at the expense of individual liberties and rights.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I don't know who is nuttier, Ron Paul himself, or his most ardent supporters...

I don't believe that most Ron Paul supporters really know about Racist Ron Paul's sordid history or the actual implications of his policy. They are more like blind followers. So I think that Racist Ron Paul is definitely more nutty.

 

[glenn1]

Did USSR collapse because of the U.S. or did it kill itself?

Both; plus a collapse in oil prices from the 1970s highs along with drops in Soviet production meant one of their primary revenue sources dried up.

 

[mizzou]

USSR couldn't keep up, they over extended themselves, it was a marathon race they couldn't keep up with.

Not that USSR didn't succeed in anything, they were great at sprinting (think SPUTNIK, etc.) but they were in no shape to compete

The only rightful reason we had to fear them was because they had nukes, not because they were "commies"

 

[cwjerome]

Both; plus a collapse in oil prices from the 1970s highs along with drops in Soviet production meant one of their primary revenue sources dried up.

Both. Doomed to failure but the US helped a good bit, especially in the 80s. Gorby should get a lot of credit for the immediate collapse as well... his reforms unintentionally helped usher a renewed quickness to the demise. Of course his reforms were due to the fact he understood they were losing ground bigtime to the US.

And yes, Ron Paul has some decent ideas but also has some seriously nutcase ideas as well.

 

[William Gaatjes]

USSR couldn't keep up, they over extended themselves, it was a marathon race they couldn't keep up with.

Not that USSR didn't succeed in anything, they were great at sprinting (think SPUTNIK, etc.) but they were in no shape to compete

The only rightful reason we had to fear them was because they had nukes, not because they were "commies"

Indeed. I know that with hindsight everything is easy. But if the US had a more reserved policy in the ME, the USSR had been the ultimate enemy in the ME and it would have been easier to blend in for the west together with the middle east. Now the USSR are hated and the USA.

It is hindsight but i think it is obvious in a alternative reality that the US government should have stayed out USSR/ME conflicts in the past. The USSR was running out of steam and fighting in the ME would have drained them even more while the US would have made use of a more subtle Reagan doctrine. That is, stay out of it and just play the referee to make sure the USSR played fair. The USA only had to make sure that the USSR would not have used nukes in the ME to win conflicts. The countries that favored communism would soon realize that pure communism doesn't work. Sooner or later markets would have opened. Perhaps a good plot for a movie...

 

[guyver01]

if Dr. Paul doesn't become president.

are you and your mentally retarded parents going to leave permanently for Nicaragua when Obama gets re-elected?

 

[Ausm]

Everything he posts has some plug-in for Paul. He's got a serious man crush on him

I better send Mr. Paul some soap on a rope.

 

[Anarchist420]

are you and your mentally retarded parents going to leave permanently for Nicaragua when Obama gets re-elected?

You really do talk a lot of shit and none of it's true either.

That said, no need to insult my parents, especially since I doubt you have a medical degree.

I have to question your own intelligence when you're asking if I want to go to countries with significant U.S./U.N. presence. Somalia or whatever you meant is not really stateless yet. They're not done fighting the U.N. and the U.S. Really, I see no point in moving out of the U.S. because it will just crackdown on people in prosperous places.