Actually I completely and utterly disagree. The group does not assume the rights of the individuals. That's fucking stupid. Rights are individual rights, individual liberties and one of those is the right to form groups etc. That doesn't mean the group gets all the rights of a human. No one is a group and a group is no one. Groupthink and group identification imo are some of the fucking stupidest and most horrible things humans do with themselves. People allow themselves not to think freely and be led like lemmings by whomever created the group. Pathetic individuals.
Actually I completely and utterly disagree. The group does not assume the rights of the individuals. That's fucking stupid. Rights are individual rights, individual liberties and one of those is the right to form groups etc. That doesn't mean the group gets all the rights of a human. No one is a group and a group is no one. Groupthink and group identification imo are some of the fucking stupidest and most horrible things humans do with themselves. People allow themselves not to think freely and be led like lemmings by whomever created the group. Pathetic individuals.
her209
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LOLOLOLOL
Yeah, tell that to the judges and lawyers.
Corporations should be limited in their "rights", but in some cases, they have more rights than real people. If a corporation caused a person's death, they just pay a fine or settle out of court. If a person did it, you think they can just pay a fine or settle?
If an individual in a corporation committed a criminal act that led to a persons death they go to jail like anyone else.
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her209
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Who got put in jail for the Deep Horizon explosion? The Massey coal mine explosion? etc.
so Jaskalas, and apparently Nik, think they understand economics better than Paul Krugman does - got it....
/facepalm
/facepalm
Exxon has (as of a couple years ago) $40 billion in cash.
How many people have that?
And the people that do, have different agendas than corporations.
Exxon spends many millions to fund hundreds of climate change denier groups.
Bill Gates spends money to cure global diseases.
Corporations have fortunes to spend to ensure people who serve them and not the public are elected.
That is a corruption of our democracy. It is a loss of our democracy.
How many people have that?
And the people that do, have different agendas than corporations.
Exxon spends many millions to fund hundreds of climate change denier groups.
Bill Gates spends money to cure global diseases.
Corporations have fortunes to spend to ensure people who serve them and not the public are elected.
That is a corruption of our democracy. It is a loss of our democracy.
nick1985
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Paul Krugman is nothing but a big-government, big-spending shill.
I like how he is considered the ace-in-the-hole for liberals. Whenever you argue that printing money out of thin air hurts the economy, you hear: "But Paul Krugman says" as if that is supposed to be some sort of I-Win button.
Hint: Its not.
I like how he is considered the ace-in-the-hole for liberals. Whenever you argue that printing money out of thin air hurts the economy, you hear: "But Paul Krugman says" as if that is supposed to be some sort of I-Win button.
Hint: Its not.
QuantumPion
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We can't afford predatory capitalism.
We can afford enslaving high wage earners to the needs of the unskilled though, just ask a liberal.
werepossum
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Those are good points. There wasn't really time to design the best possible stimulus, and anyway a lot of it is politics, paying off the right people who got him elected. At best, a stimulus program only works while the government gravy keeps flowing. But it was important in stopping the bleeding, keeping some liquidity in the market while people have a chance to cool down and think rather than just reacting. That's a nontrivial thing.
First
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lulz, woosh goes the point straight over your head (a frequent occurrence with you of course). A once-in-a-generation financial crisis that caused GM's competitive products and decades-long profitability from temporarily making payroll is a pretty straight and bullet-proof argument for the GM bailout that saved about a million jobs, particularly the perfectly profitable and legitimate non-GM businesses that relied on those parts orders. This is why people much, much smarter than you went through with it, on both sides of the aisle.
thraashman
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In this case if an individual caused stuff like this instead of a corporation, the charge would most likely be criminally negligent homicide or reckless endangerment. Pretty much anything where a preventable death occurred due to the actions of another, a criminal charge can be applied. There's probably other charges I'm not aware of, I'm not a prosecuter.
I think most of the money got wasted on the government and the banks and never went to the people. If all the money does is prolong the misery and pain or prop up the bad economies in places like California (Which caused the problems to begin with), then it was money from other states that earned it, and it was better to not spend the money to begin with.
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Who should we trust? Douche234 or FDRs treasury secretary who practiced Keyensian economics in the real world?
I am conflicted!
If you borrow money on a house and you cant pay it, you must plan on moving. Maybe variable rate loans for real estate should be illegal.
werepossum
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nick1985
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...coming from a guy that sucks himself off by quoting himself in his own fucking sig.
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