Did Patrick Crayton totally screw the Cowboys out of a game winning TD?

[Phokus]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0JReCDDPA3Q

Look at the replay... he slows up near the end zone and runs full speed again... if he just kept running hard, he coulda had an easy TD! :Q

 

[hdeck]

yeah he definitely stepped off the gas a bit. dumb to say 1 play is the reason they lost, though.

 

[meltdown75]

oh hell yeah, they showed this after the game too. Romo placed it perfectly IMO. All Crayton had to do was close his eyes and hold out his arms (and not let up).

 

[Deeko]

Yes, Crayton is a trash heap that needs to be cut. This is another example of why Romo will get labeled as a "choker" unfairly.

On a side note, the NFL has ruled that the intentional grounding call on Romo was, in fact, not intentional grounding.

 

[Rockinacoustic]

Originally posted by: Deeko
On a side note, the NFL has ruled that the intentional grounding call on Romo was, in fact, not intentional grounding.

Oh, so Crayton gave up on that pass too? :laugh:

 

[JRich]

Originally posted by: Rockinacoustic

Originally posted by: Deeko
On a side note, the NFL has ruled that the intentional grounding call on Romo was, in fact, not intentional grounding.

Oh, so Crayton gave up on that pass too? :laugh:

Hard for a receiver to catch the ball when he's not even in the area. :laugh:

Edit: Unless you count throwing to the blue jerseys.

 

[Jhill]

Is he the same player that dropped that easy short pass that would of went for 50-60 yards
in the 3rd quarter?

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Yes, Crayton is a trash heap that needs to be cut. This is another example of why Romo will get labeled as a "choker" unfairly.

On a side note, the NFL has ruled that the intentional grounding call on Romo was, in fact, not intentional grounding.

Romo is doing a fine job by himself, and it can't be considered completely unfair. Look at how the Boys past two postseasons have ended. He fumbled the snap on a chip shot FG FTW at the end of the game. He throws a pick into coverage at the end of the game. If he keeps making critical mistakes at the very end of playoff games that cost them the win, that label will stick.

How was that not intentional grounding, no rec. in the area and he was still inside the tackle box. Got a link? I would just like to see their reasoning.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Jhill
Is he the same player that dropped that easy short pass that would of went for 50-60 yards
in the 3rd quarter?

yeap. i think he had 2 drops that could have been TD's.

 

[Queasy]

You're all blaming the wrong guy. If Romo hadn't gone to the beach with Jessica Simpson, Crayton would have caught the ball.

 

[wyvrn]

Crayton was on the Michael Irvin show on ESPN locally here in Dallas about a half hour ago. He was explaining that there is more than one option on the route, and he was not the primary receiver. His job was to pull defenders away from the other routes. He also said that the QB has the call on where to put the ball, and he has to make an assumption on where it was going. He had no idea from the huddle that the ball was coming to him, or even that Tony would have thrown it to the back of the endzone.

Irvin defended him saying that a lot of reads by the WR and QB are split second, and it is almost impossible to guess right every time. Crayton is not known as a slacker or to not run out his routes.

That is straight from the horses' mouth.

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: Jhill
Is he the same player that dropped that easy short pass that would of went for 50-60 yards
in the 3rd quarter?

I was at the game, and he was running in my direction on that play. That was a 20-25 yarder, at best, that he dropped. He had a defender a half step behind, and the safety over the top. It was a huge play, but there was worse play on the OL than there was at WR in that game. I had the advantage, since I was at the game, of seeing all players on the field. WRs were not consistently open, and in the 2nd half, Romo was too busy being mauled by the defense to have time to complete apass.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
That is straight from the horses' mouth.

not that he would try to defend himself or anything...

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: wyvrn
That is straight from the horses' mouth.

not that he would try to defend himself or anything...

No I expected that response. But at least he was given the chance to respond with his thoughts. People in this thread haven't even bothered to consider that this may not be his fault.

edit: This thread is just looking for a scapegoat.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: wyvrn

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: wyvrn
That is straight from the horses' mouth.

not that he would try to defend himself or anything...

No I expected that response. But at least he was given the chance to respond with his thoughts. People in this thread haven't even bothered to consider that this may not be his fault.

it is at least nice to hear both sides of the story. his response makes sense but at the end of the day what you had was a decently thrown ball and no catch in an important game. no hate for Crayton, i'm just sayin

edit: true...

 

[waggy]

and here i thought the idea was to play every play as if you were going to get the ball (unless you are blocking that is). at least thats what Jerry Rice has said.

 

[tfinch2]

I wrote this in the Cowboys vs Giants thread:

Crayton should take most of the blame for this loss. He dropped a crucial pass in the early 4th quarter where he could have broke it or at least gained substantial yardage, he dropped a punt that he had a lot of space to return, and stopped on that great pass from Romo that could have been a TD on that last possession.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Deeko
Yes, Crayton is a trash heap that needs to be cut. This is another example of why Romo will get labeled as a "choker" unfairly.

On a side note, the NFL has ruled that the intentional grounding call on Romo was, in fact, not intentional grounding.

Romo is doing a fine job by himself, and it can't be considered completely unfair. Look at how the Boys past two postseasons have ended. He fumbled the snap on a chip shot FG FTW at the end of the game. He throws a pick into coverage at the end of the game. If he keeps making critical mistakes at the very end of playoff games that cost them the win, that label will stick.

How was that not intentional grounding, no rec. in the area and he was still inside the tackle box. Got a link? I would just like to see their reasoning.

Yes - he choked as the holder last year, but he'll never be in that situation again. As a QB, he did his job perfectly against Seattle. This year...throwing the pick wasn't "choking", it was 4th down, you had to throw it into the end zone and everyone knows it. That's not choking, that's a failed hailmary. Did Boller choke against NE this year, because their hailmary failed? No, the defense did on the previous drive.

edit: as for the grounding, they said it on the radio today, I haven't seen a link to it yet. Supposedly the reason is that he wasn't 'under duress', and therefore it wasn't grounding even with no receiver.

 

[NeoV]

Wrong wyvrn - he had stopped, and was headed across the field when he dropped that pass - the safety on that play wasn't even going in the same direction - with Crayton's speed he likely makes it all the way to the end zone, worst-case scenario around the 15-10 yard line. That play was much worse than the play where he didn't fun full speed the entire time - still - if there is any chance of him getting the ball on that play, he should be going full speed. When a QB calls a pass play - there may be a primary receiver on the play that is designed to be open, but there are secondary and check-off receivers as well - all of them need to run their routes.

I do agree with you, thought, that the OL was having all kinds of problems

 

[Pocatello]

Originally posted by: Queasy
You're all blaming the wrong guy. If Romo hadn't gone to the beach with Jessica Simpson, Crayton would have caught the ball.

You're on to something there.

 

[FoBoT]

maybe he got tired

 

[RightIsWrong]

I just wanted to chime in to say that that might be the best quality video on YouTube. Most are completely grainy and unwatchable.

Oh, that and the Cowboys fans are a bunch of whining biotches. It was third and eleven. Unless you have a playbook and know that the route was a post instead of a buttonhook designed to get enough yardage for the first......

From the looks of it, that is more likely. Crayton slowed around the 8 yard line looking for a throw that would give them a first and then Romo decided to get the TD on that particular play instead of the first down and went for it all.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Deeko
Yes, Crayton is a trash heap that needs to be cut. This is another example of why Romo will get labeled as a "choker" unfairly.

On a side note, the NFL has ruled that the intentional grounding call on Romo was, in fact, not intentional grounding.

Romo is doing a fine job by himself, and it can't be considered completely unfair. Look at how the Boys past two postseasons have ended. He fumbled the snap on a chip shot FG FTW at the end of the game. He throws a pick into coverage at the end of the game. If he keeps making critical mistakes at the very end of playoff games that cost them the win, that label will stick.

How was that not intentional grounding, no rec. in the area and he was still inside the tackle box. Got a link? I would just like to see their reasoning.

Yes - he choked as the holder last year, but he'll never be in that situation again. As a QB, he did his job perfectly against Seattle. This year...throwing the pick wasn't "choking", it was 4th down, you had to throw it into the end zone and everyone knows it. That's not choking, that's a failed hailmary. Did Boller choke against NE this year, because their hailmary failed? No, the defense did on the previous drive.

edit: as for the grounding, they said it on the radio today, I haven't seen a link to it yet. Supposedly the reason is that he wasn't 'under duress', and therefore it wasn't grounding even with no receiver.

Ok I can buy the "no duress" position, he was not under any pressure.

I still wouldn't call that last throw a "hail mary". It was not exactly a half field long free for all, more like a line drive into double coverage. Yes the Giants knew it had to be in the end zone or on the goal line, but it still seemed like a bad choice to go to that WR. There had to be a better choice, most likely towards the sideline.

 

[Alistar7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS0d98RYcco

Watch the replay starting at 0:42 in that clip, Owens is to the right. A ball well placed in the right side back corner of the end zone has a chance of being completed. They also had single coverage on the left side WR. Of the 3 possible choices, he picked the worst. If you watch Romo you can see he is totally locked on that one target right from the snap. He doesn't even try to look off the safety or even check whether his other rec. are more open.

I also noticed Whiten was left in to block on the right side, why the hell would you not have him running a route. At the very least the Cowboys should have had 4 routes being run, two to the edges and two up the middle to split the coverage and give you at least one 1 on 1. I would have went 5 wide, with 4 to one side and TO by himself on the other side. Take your chances 1 on 1 with your best WR.

 

[Homerboy]

what if... what if.... WHAT IF!!!!????