Did NVIDIA break V-Sync with 8 Series?

[BroadbandGamer]

I just noticed V-Sync is no longer working! Forcing it in the control panel or in game does not work. It was working with my previous drivers but is not working with their 162.18 drivers.

Can NVIDIA get anything right with their 8 Series cards? This 8800 GTX has been the biggest POS I've ever owned! I've had nothing but problems with this POS! So what if it's fast if nothing works!

So does anyone know what's going on? Does NVIDIA even know V-Sync doesn't work?

Man I wish ATI had something comparable because I would dump this POS in a second. It isn't worth the problems. I had ZERO problems with my old X1900 XTX.

 

[Matt2]

I'll trade you my 2900XT plus a little cash for that POS.

Think about it.

Seriously.



Aren't there newer drivers than 162.18? Or am I just confusing myself with Nvidia's awkward nomeclature?

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Originally posted by: Matt2
I'll trade you my 2900XT plus a little cash for that POS.

Think about it.

Seriously.



Aren't there newer drivers than 162.18? Or am I just confusing myself with Nvidia's awkward nomeclature?

That's what I'm using.

 

[ArchAngel777]

No one is forcing you to use the product. It is a shame that you and a handful of people are unable to enjoy the product due to bugs, but most of us are pretty happy with the 8800 series. I have no regrets, even though I prefer ATi for the most part. So, I guess the real question is, why not sell it off and use another card? I am sure 2900 XT's in Xfire would blow it out of the water...

 

[Keysplayr]

BBG, maybe, just maybe, PEBCAK. You have had more problems with your GTX than this whole video forum combined. What is the deal? I am using an 8800GTS on a 4 year old installation of XP. Do you know what hell my OS has been through over those years? And still, absolutely minimal (had problem with Call of Juarez demo) problems with the GTS. Using 158.22's up til this 162.18 release. I noticed I gained fan control in the driver, but other than that, ZERO difference. Still no prob's. I'll look into V-Sync, but I wish you would be more specific like what games and such. You said olders games. Which ones?

So, unless there is something wrong with the actual hardware in your rig, whether it be the 8800 or not, I really wish you would just try to work with us and get it fixed rather than a rant thread like this. We all know the G80's are fantastic cards, so when somebody comes calling it a POS, our first thoughts are PEBCAK.

First question: Is any part of your system o/c'd? If not, see below.

So you're using 162.18's. I assume you're using XP. Yes?
Uninstall your Nvidia drivers. Run latest Driver cleaner and follow instructions to the letter. Make sure you choose to remove any ATI remnants in driver cleaner as there may be some old old stuff in there when you had your 1900. Unless this is a fresh OS install.

Reinstall the 162.18's. Make sure your mobo chipset drivers are the latest and up to date, etc. etc.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
No one is forcing you to use the product. It is a shame that you and a handful of people are unable to enjoy the product due to bugs, but most of us are pretty happy with the 8800 series. I have no regrets, even though I prefer ATi for the most part. So, I guess the real question is, why not sell it off and use another card? I am sure 2900 XT's in Xfire would blow it out of the water...

:thumbsup:

I absolutely love my 8800GTX.

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Sorry, I'm just tired of all the problems. NVIDIA fixes one thing and breaks another.

When I installed the 162.18's I noticed I could finally use my displays built in scaling. Turning off scaling still doesn't work but at least I could use my displays. So then I notice v-sync doesn't work. I tried using in game and forcing it and it doesn't work. I tried Far Cry and BF2.

I went back to 158.22 and V-Sync works but now I can't use my monitors built in scaling again.

Scaling lower resolutions and screen tearing or two of the thing I can't stand the most. The scaling has been an issue since buying this card and the v-sync hasn't been an issue until now. I looked through the 162.18 release notes and it doesn't say anything about v-sync not working.

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
No one is forcing you to use the product. It is a shame that you and a handful of people are unable to enjoy the product due to bugs, but most of us are pretty happy with the 8800 series. I have no regrets, even though I prefer ATi for the most part. So, I guess the real question is, why not sell it off and use another card? I am sure 2900 XT's in Xfire would blow it out of the water...

:thumbsup:

I absolutely love my 8800GTX.

I would love it too if I didn't have an issue with scaling and NOW v-sync. I can't stand screen tearing and scaling lower resolutions.

So it looks like they fixed the scaling issue. It's not really fixed but I can at least use my displays scaling option (it's not grayed out) but they broke v-sync in the process.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
No one is forcing you to use the product. It is a shame that you and a handful of people are unable to enjoy the product due to bugs, but most of us are pretty happy with the 8800 series. I have no regrets, even though I prefer ATi for the most part. So, I guess the real question is, why not sell it off and use another card? I am sure 2900 XT's in Xfire would blow it out of the water...

:thumbsup:

I absolutely love my 8800GTX.

I would love it too if I didn't have an issue with scaling and NOW v-sync. I can't stand screen tearing and scaling lower resolutions.

So it looks like they fixed the scaling issue. It's not really fixed but I can at least use my displays scaling option (it's not grayed out) but they broke v-sync in the process.

I am not having an issue with scaling OR vsync. Both work fine for me.

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
No one is forcing you to use the product. It is a shame that you and a handful of people are unable to enjoy the product due to bugs, but most of us are pretty happy with the 8800 series. I have no regrets, even though I prefer ATi for the most part. So, I guess the real question is, why not sell it off and use another card? I am sure 2900 XT's in Xfire would blow it out of the water...

:thumbsup:

I absolutely love my 8800GTX.

I would love it too if I didn't have an issue with scaling and NOW v-sync. I can't stand screen tearing and scaling lower resolutions.

So it looks like they fixed the scaling issue. It's not really fixed but I can at least use my displays scaling option (it's not grayed out) but they broke v-sync in the process.

I am not having an issue with scaling OR vsync. Both work fine for me.

Are you using an 8800 GTX?

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
No one is forcing you to use the product. It is a shame that you and a handful of people are unable to enjoy the product due to bugs, but most of us are pretty happy with the 8800 series. I have no regrets, even though I prefer ATi for the most part. So, I guess the real question is, why not sell it off and use another card? I am sure 2900 XT's in Xfire would blow it out of the water...

:thumbsup:

I absolutely love my 8800GTX.

I would love it too if I didn't have an issue with scaling and NOW v-sync. I can't stand screen tearing and scaling lower resolutions.

So it looks like they fixed the scaling issue. It's not really fixed but I can at least use my displays scaling option (it's not grayed out) but they broke v-sync in the process.

I am not having an issue with scaling OR vsync. Both work fine for me.

Are you using an 8800 GTX?

You are kidding, right?

 

[Keysplayr]

Yes, he is using an eVGA 8800GTX. Ever think it just might be your monitor that has the issue? I mean, driver options usually are dependent on what your monitor is/is not capable of. Usually. Just a thought. Maybe you should try another monitor for a test.

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Yes, he is using an eVGA 8800GTX. Ever think it just might be your monitor that has the issue? I mean, driver options usually are dependent on what your monitor is/is not capable of. Usually. Just a thought. Maybe you should try another monitor for a test.

It's not my monitor. V-Sync works fine with 158.22. It doesn't work with 162.18. My displays built in scaling works fine with 162.18 but is grayed out with 158.22. These are driver issues and have nothing to do with my monitor.

Could someone with an 8800 GTX running the latest NVIDIA driver test V-Sync?

 

[Keysplayr]

Wait, lemme get this straight. Your display, the 2407, has a built in function for screen scaling that is "greyed out" depending on which video card driver you use? How is that even possible? Your screen is your screen and the functions of the screen should not be dependent on which video card driver you have installed. Am I misunderstanding this?

Has anybody else installed a new driver and found that their On Screen Display functions have changed? I never have.

Or is it the option in the Nvidia driver for "Monitors built in screen scaling" no longer available?

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Has anybody else installed a new driver and found that their On Screen Display functions have changed? I never have.

Neither have I.

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Well this is strange. If I run Far Cry at 1920x1200 my displays built in scaling is grayed out but V-Sync works. If I change the resolutions to 1680x1050 my displays built in scaling is available. When I change the display to 1:1 so that it doesn't scale the 1680x1050 to fit my screen V-Sync no longer works.

So can anyone explain to me what is going on? Why does V-Sync stop working when I turn of the scaling?

 

[BFG10K]

BBG, maybe, just maybe, PEBCAK. You have had more problems with your GTX than this whole video forum combined. What is the deal? I am using an 8800GTS on a 4 year old installation of XP.

I haven't tried vsync as I don't use it but it would not surprise me to learn nVidia had broken it. There are numerous examples of their POS control panel not applying settings like it should. My 8800 GTS would be unusable if it weren't for third party tweaking apps. CCC may be more bloated but at least it has a tendency to apply settings when asked.

As for current problems, take a look here. These are 100% current as I retest them with every driver release include all beta versions.

Additionally the "slowdown alt-tab to fix" problem plaguing many G80 users has finally been acknowledged by nVidia after I first reported instances of the issue back in 2004 on my 6800 Ultra.

The fact is a lot of people are complaining about G80s because there are numerous driver problems with them even to this day.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

BBG, maybe, just maybe, PEBCAK. You have had more problems with your GTX than this whole video forum combined. What is the deal? I am using an 8800GTS on a 4 year old installation of XP.

I haven't tried vsync as I don't use it but it would not surprise me to learn nVidia had broken it. There are numerous examples of their POS control panel not applying settings like it should. My 8800 GTS would be unusable if it weren't for third party tweaking apps. CCC may be more bloated but at least it has a tendency to apply settings when asked.

As for current problems, take a look here. These are 100% current as I retest them with every driver release include all beta versions.

Additionally the "slowdown alt-tab to fix" problem plaguing many G80 users has finally been acknowledged by nVidia after I first reported instances of the issue back in 2004 on my 6800 Ultra.

The fact is a lot of people are complaining about G80s because there are numerous driver problems with them even to this day.

Ok, kewl. We are talking about Built in screen scaling and V-Sync today. Not the entire compilation of reported G80 bugs. I just tried them both. Using 162.18's, V-sync works, and built in screen scaling works. I can take screenies if you need them.

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: BFG10K

BBG, maybe, just maybe, PEBCAK. You have had more problems with your GTX than this whole video forum combined. What is the deal? I am using an 8800GTS on a 4 year old installation of XP.

I haven't tried vsync as I don't use it but it would not surprise me to learn nVidia had broken it. There are numerous examples of their POS control panel not applying settings like it should. My 8800 GTS would be unusable if it weren't for third party tweaking apps. CCC may be more bloated but at least it has a tendency to apply settings when asked.

As for current problems, take a look here. These are 100% current as I retest them with every driver release include all beta versions.

Additionally the "slowdown alt-tab to fix" problem plaguing many G80 users has finally been acknowledged by nVidia after I first reported instances of the issue back in 2004 on my 6800 Ultra.

The fact is a lot of people are complaining about G80s because there are numerous driver problems with them even to this day.

Ok, kewl. We are talking about Built in screen scaling and V-Sync today. Not the entire compilation of reported G80 bugs. I just tried them both. Using 162.18's, V-sync works, and built in screen scaling works. I can take screenies if you need them.

Cool. Now try running a game at a lower resolution than your monitors native res. Make sure it's not being scaled to fit the screen. Does V-Sync still work? V-Sync does work but only if I'm not running a lower resolution and I have 1:1 enabled.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: BFG10K

BBG, maybe, just maybe, PEBCAK. You have had more problems with your GTX than this whole video forum combined. What is the deal? I am using an 8800GTS on a 4 year old installation of XP.

I haven't tried vsync as I don't use it but it would not surprise me to learn nVidia had broken it. There are numerous examples of their POS control panel not applying settings like it should. My 8800 GTS would be unusable if it weren't for third party tweaking apps. CCC may be more bloated but at least it has a tendency to apply settings when asked.

As for current problems, take a look here. These are 100% current as I retest them with every driver release include all beta versions.

Additionally the "slowdown alt-tab to fix" problem plaguing many G80 users has finally been acknowledged by nVidia after I first reported instances of the issue back in 2004 on my 6800 Ultra.

The fact is a lot of people are complaining about G80s because there are numerous driver problems with them even to this day.

Ok, kewl. We are talking about Built in screen scaling and V-Sync today. Not the entire compilation of reported G80 bugs. I just tried them both. Using 162.18's, V-sync works, and built in screen scaling works. I can take screenies if you need them.

Cool. Now try running a game at a lower resolution than your monitors native res. Make sure it's not being scaled to fit the screen. Does V-Sync still work? V-Sync does work but only if I'm not running a lower resolution and I have 1:1 enabled.

Ok, I'll try it out. Right now though, it's bedtime. I'll let you know tomorrow.

Keys

 

[DannyBoy]

Reading this post after searching through 12 hours of random reviews / threads for advice on upgrades just made my day.

Thank you

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Yes, he is using an eVGA 8800GTX. Ever think it just might be your monitor that has the issue? I mean, driver options usually are dependent on what your monitor is/is not capable of. Usually. Just a thought. Maybe you should try another monitor for a test.

Vsync being able to be enabled is strictly a video card issue and shouldn't depend on the monitor/monitor driver in any way.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Yes, he is using an eVGA 8800GTX. Ever think it just might be your monitor that has the issue? I mean, driver options usually are dependent on what your monitor is/is not capable of. Usually. Just a thought. Maybe you should try another monitor for a test.

Vsync being able to be enabled is strictly a video card issue and shouldn't depend on the monitor/monitor driver in any way.

Yes, but that only covers 1/2 of the discussion. What about built in screen scaling, which was the actual focus of my post above?

I still haven't gotten around to trying it on my LG226WT. I will tonight.

 

[chizow]

I think NV should include a "Jump to Conclusions Mat" with their drivers for the OP. Might cut down on some of these Zomgziiiieeeest3hWORLDisEnding11eleven!!!!11bbq!!! threads.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: chizow
I think NV should include a "Jump to Conclusions Mat" with their drivers for the OP. Might cut down on some of these Zomgziiiieeeest3hWORLDisEnding11eleven!!!!11bbq!!! threads.

maybe he should just take Matt2 up on his trade for 2900xt + cash offer.
-Some people just like to complain. i think the OP has always disliked nvidia and is getting his "money's worth" out of this and similar threads.

Personally, i loved both nvidia and AMD GPUs recently ... except for their pricing. Hard to find a damn sale!

Now what the HELL does this mean? it is *only* theInq so i DON'T want to start a thread [don't click if you don't want to give them hits i quoted all the important stuff]:


G80 running out out memory, driver fix under construction

By Theo Valich: Tuesday 31 July 2007, 07:19
IT SEEMS THAT Nvidia's Geforce 8800 series of graphics cards suffers random slowdowns, and this can be particularly problematic for owners of the Geforce 8800GTS 320MB, the cheapest 8800 out there.

The problem lies in fact that the G80 GPU has some trouble with texture memory management. In many unrelated cases, this bug starts leaving textures in video memory and system memory, causing the board to run out of texture memory. Once you run out of memory for textures on your graphics card and system, you will experience a lot of swapping with textures on a hard drive, and that is recipe for disaster, at least as far as framerates are concerned.

Some games are more affected than others, it all depends on how the game engine is handling textures. We learned about the situation a while ago, but it has been two weeks and fix is still not out. We heard from Nvidia that testing is well under way, with both Windows XP and Vista - combining these operating systems with different GPUs.

and

Nvidia will fix 8800 by mid-September

we managed to get an update from an Nvidia rep regarding the actual timeframe of the driver release that will fix the 8800 slowdown issue.

As it stands right now, fix for this highly annoying bug is planned for a release between the end of August and middle of September. My personal assumption would be that the latter date is a more realistic one. Nvidia stated that this problem is "of complex nature," and it seems to us that fixing one card leads to issues with another.

We wonder whether something went wrong in the whole 320-bit/384-bit memory controller combination, or whether the problem is caused by the fact that game developers were creating games with 256/512/1024 MB boards in mind, and Nvidia showed up with 320/640/768MB ones?

Just in case, if you play Battlefield and are one of numerous gamers plagued by the slowdown problem, Alt+Tab is not the answer you might need. Pascal, one of our readers came back to us and told us that Nvidia encourages you to use special button in the main page of the menu - this button opens a browser outside the game, and then you can swap back into the game without having the game screen destroyed.

anybody see this? ... i never did