Did Intel use AMD's fililng for patents to design Conroe?

[thestain]

Is Intel above the law?

How do they get away with some of the arch stealing they have over the years?

AMD needs to lower prices, but.. maybe AMD needs to sue.. just not until I get my Conroe reduced in price AM2 or my E6600 or E 6700.. the exreme... for a grand.. NOT.. I am happy with E6700 performance for half that price.

 

[stevty2889]

Because they have had a technology sharing agreement for quite some time, in exchange for AMD being allowed to use the x86 architecture. And where the heck do you get the idea that Intel stole/borrowed from AMD for the Conroe design anyway? It's based off of the Pentium-M, which has been around for what, 4 years now?

 

[thestain]

US Patent office

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: thestain
Is Intel above the law?

How do they get away with some of the arch stealing they have over the years?

AMD needs to lower prices, but.. maybe AMD needs to sue.. just not until I get my Conroe reduced in price AM2 or my E6600 or E 6700.. the exreme... for a grand.. NOT.. I am happy with E6700 performance for half that price.

AMD sues at the drop of a hat for any reason whatsoever. There is currently an antitrust suit pending, not its first, and certainly not its last. What else do you expect from old No. 2? :laugh:

Nothing new here.

 

[Toadster]

actually AMD is using stuff from the old Digital chips...

 

[Bateluer]

Intel and AMD do have a cross licensing agreement. Its why AMD can use SSE 1/2/3 on the A64s, and why Intel allegedly use AMD tech on their Core designs.

 

[F1shF4t]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: thestain
Is Intel above the law?

How do they get away with some of the arch stealing they have over the years?

AMD needs to lower prices, but.. maybe AMD needs to sue.. just not until I get my Conroe reduced in price AM2 or my E6600 or E 6700.. the exreme... for a grand.. NOT.. I am happy with E6700 performance for half that price.

AMD sues at the drop of a hat for any reason whatsoever. There is currently an antitrust suit pending, not its first, and certainly not its last. What else do you expect from old No. 2? :laugh:

Nothing new here.

yea i'm sure u would be happy with a monopoly, so celerons would cost 1000 dollars, right?

And actually previous law suit were case intel wanted to make stop being able to make x86 hardware. One during the days of the 386 or something.

Face it competition is good, and even though u clearly show that u prefer intel, u cant bash amd, cause they are the only reason u got such good prices on intel chips right now.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Intel and AMD do have a cross licensing agreement. Its why AMD can use SSE 1/2/3 on the A64s, and why Intel allegedly use AMD tech on their Core designs.

I think it's wrong that Intel don't allow other CPU manufactureres to use SSE for free. I know they came up with it but it still stinks of monopolistic practices that should be stamped out. There should be a impartial body that controls the x86, SSE etc (like JEDEC does RAM) that all manufacturers must submit there specs to and that distributes them to the companies as requested.

I know it'll never happen but it does kinda stink how Intel distribute technology that is a must for the majority of PC users. If the body existed Intel would have to create marchitectures without AMD's help and vice versa.

As for the lawsuits thing, Intel & Apple throw more suits at their lawyers than AMD do theirs. AMD are tryng to uncover the Intel Monopoly nearly everyone knows exists and in turn create a equal platform for all companies to compete.

I'll consider Conroe when I do my next upgrade but will get whatever best suits my requirements at the time.

Proprietary Technology :thumbsdown:

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: thestain
Is Intel above the law?

How do they get away with some of the arch stealing they have over the years?

AMD needs to lower prices, but.. maybe AMD needs to sue.. just not until I get my Conroe reduced in price AM2 or my E6600 or E 6700.. the exreme... for a grand.. NOT.. I am happy with E6700 performance for half that price.

AMD sues at the drop of a hat for any reason whatsoever. There is currently an antitrust suit pending, not its first, and certainly not its last. What else do you expect from old No. 2? :laugh:

Nothing new here.

yea i'm sure u would be happy with a monopoly, so celerons would cost 1000 dollars, right?

And actually previous law suit were case intel wanted to make stop being able to make x86 hardware. One during the days of the 386 or something.

Face it competition is good, and even though u clearly show that u prefer intel, u cant bash amd, cause they are the only reason u got such good prices on intel chips right now.

yea i'm sure you read all that somewhere in my post, wanting 1000 dollars celerons right?

Face it competition is good, unless you have to continually sue just to stay in business, so you cant bash intel cause they are the only reason you pay more for amd chips right now.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Intel and AMD do have a cross licensing agreement. Its why AMD can use SSE 1/2/3 on the A64s, and why Intel allegedly use AMD tech on their Core designs.

I think it's wrong that Intel don't allow other CPU manufactureres to use SSE for free. I know they came up with it but it still stinks of monopolistic practices that should be stamped out. There should be a impartial body that controls the x86, SSE etc (like JEDEC does RAM) that all manufacturers must submit there specs to and that distributes them to the companies as requested.

I know it'll never happen but it does kinda stink how Intel distribute technology that is a must for the majority of PC users. If the body existed Intel would have to create marchitectures without AMD's help and vice versa.

As for the lawsuits thing, Intel & Apple throw more suits at their lawyers than AMD do theirs. AMD are tryng to uncover the Intel Monopoly nearly everyone knows exists and in turn create a equal platform for all companies to compete.

I'll consider Conroe when I do my next upgrade but will get whatever best suits my requirements at the time.

Proprietary Technology :thumbsdown:

Cry me a river, you people are idiots, why shouldn't a company that spends millions in R&D be allowed to protect their investment with patents? Do you actually have the faintest idea how an economy works? Without the ability to own & control land/property/intellectual property it would come crashing down very quickly...

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: thestain
Is Intel above the law?

How do they get away with some of the arch stealing they have over the years?

AMD needs to lower prices, but.. maybe AMD needs to sue.. just not until I get my Conroe reduced in price AM2 or my E6600 or E 6700.. the exreme... for a grand.. NOT.. I am happy with E6700 performance for half that price.

Didn't AMD basically copy intel chips in their early days?

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: thestain
Is Intel above the law?

How do they get away with some of the arch stealing they have over the years?

AMD needs to lower prices, but.. maybe AMD needs to sue.. just not until I get my Conroe reduced in price AM2 or my E6600 or E 6700.. the exreme... for a grand.. NOT.. I am happy with E6700 performance for half that price.

AMD sues at the drop of a hat for any reason whatsoever. There is currently an antitrust suit pending, not its first, and certainly not its last. What else do you expect from old No. 2? :laugh:

Nothing new here.

yea i'm sure u would be happy with a monopoly, so celerons would cost 1000 dollars, right?

And actually previous law suit were case intel wanted to make stop being able to make x86 hardware. One during the days of the 386 or something.

Face it competition is good, and even though u clearly show that u prefer intel, u cant bash amd, cause they are the only reason u got such good prices on intel chips right now.

It's Felix...please don't feed him...

 

[F1shF4t]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: thestain
Is Intel above the law?

How do they get away with some of the arch stealing they have over the years?

AMD needs to lower prices, but.. maybe AMD needs to sue.. just not until I get my Conroe reduced in price AM2 or my E6600 or E 6700.. the exreme... for a grand.. NOT.. I am happy with E6700 performance for half that price.

AMD sues at the drop of a hat for any reason whatsoever. There is currently an antitrust suit pending, not its first, and certainly not its last. What else do you expect from old No. 2? :laugh:

Nothing new here.

yea i'm sure u would be happy with a monopoly, so celerons would cost 1000 dollars, right?

And actually previous law suit were case intel wanted to make stop being able to make x86 hardware. One during the days of the 386 or something.

Face it competition is good, and even though u clearly show that u prefer intel, u cant bash amd, cause they are the only reason u got such good prices on intel chips right now.

yea i'm sure you read all that somewhere in my post, wanting 1000 dollars celerons right?

Face it competition is good, unless you have to continually sue just to stay in business, so you cant bash intel cause they are the only reason you pay more for amd chips right now.

Ok so amd should not sue, and then they would have got chucked out of the x86 market, or in other words the would have been dead company. Even intel could not change from x86 itanic anyone?

And where did u get the idea that i bash intel ? I used more intel processors than amd and couldn't care which one i use as long as its fast and cheap and suits my purposes.

Also when u have no chance to stay in busines due to unfair practices what else have u got to do, what u suggest? Face what u say is biased.

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Intel and AMD do have a cross licensing agreement. Its why AMD can use SSE 1/2/3 on the A64s, and why Intel allegedly use AMD tech on their Core designs.

I think it's wrong that Intel don't allow other CPU manufactureres to use SSE for free. I know they came up with it but it still stinks of monopolistic practices that should be stamped out. There should be a impartial body that controls the x86, SSE etc (like JEDEC does RAM) that all manufacturers must submit there specs to and that distributes them to the companies as requested.

I know it'll never happen but it does kinda stink how Intel distribute technology that is a must for the majority of PC users. If the body existed Intel would have to create marchitectures without AMD's help and vice versa.

As for the lawsuits thing, Intel & Apple throw more suits at their lawyers than AMD do theirs. AMD are tryng to uncover the Intel Monopoly nearly everyone knows exists and in turn create a equal platform for all companies to compete.

I'll consider Conroe when I do my next upgrade but will get whatever best suits my requirements at the time.

Proprietary Technology :thumbsdown:

Cry me a river, you people are idiots, why shouldn't a company that spends millions in R&D be allowed to protect their investment with patents? Do you actually have the faintest idea how an economy works? Without the ability to own & control land/property/intellectual property it would come crashing down very quickly...

I'm for one am against these patents, whats next people will patent a toilet sitting position. There is so much more advances in technology that we could have if not for all these patents. And u would be crashing down cause people would want u. People want money everything else is secondary.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: stevty2889
Because they have had a technology sharing agreement for quite some time, in exchange for AMD being allowed to use the x86 architecture. And where the heck do you get the idea that Intel stole/borrowed from AMD for the Conroe design anyway? It's based off of the Pentium-M, which has been around for what, 4 years now?

You are correct as ever stevty...
While it's true that many of the patents used in the NGMA are originally from AMD, it's also true that many of the patents used in K8 are from Intel...

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: thestain
Is Intel above the law?

How do they get away with some of the arch stealing they have over the years?

AMD needs to lower prices, but.. maybe AMD needs to sue.. just not until I get my Conroe reduced in price AM2 or my E6600 or E 6700.. the exreme... for a grand.. NOT.. I am happy with E6700 performance for half that price.

AMD sues at the drop of a hat for any reason whatsoever. There is currently an antitrust suit pending, not its first, and certainly not its last. What else do you expect from old No. 2? :laugh:

Nothing new here.

yea i'm sure u would be happy with a monopoly, so celerons would cost 1000 dollars, right?

And actually previous law suit were case intel wanted to make stop being able to make x86 hardware. One during the days of the 386 or something.

Face it competition is good, and even though u clearly show that u prefer intel, u cant bash amd, cause they are the only reason u got such good prices on intel chips right now.

yea i'm sure you read all that somewhere in my post, wanting 1000 dollars celerons right?

Face it competition is good, unless you have to continually sue just to stay in business, so you cant bash intel cause they are the only reason you pay more for amd chips right now.

Ok so amd should not sue, and then they would have got chucked out of the x86 market, or in other words the would have been dead company. Even intel could not change from x86 itanic anyone?

And where did u get the idea that i bash intel ? I used more intel processors than amd and couldn't care which one i use as long as its fast and cheap and suits my purposes.

Also when u have no chance to stay in busines due to unfair practices what else have u got to do, what u suggest? Face what u say is biased.

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Intel and AMD do have a cross licensing agreement. Its why AMD can use SSE 1/2/3 on the A64s, and why Intel allegedly use AMD tech on their Core designs.

I think it's wrong that Intel don't allow other CPU manufactureres to use SSE for free. I know they came up with it but it still stinks of monopolistic practices that should be stamped out. There should be a impartial body that controls the x86, SSE etc (like JEDEC does RAM) that all manufacturers must submit there specs to and that distributes them to the companies as requested.

I know it'll never happen but it does kinda stink how Intel distribute technology that is a must for the majority of PC users. If the body existed Intel would have to create marchitectures without AMD's help and vice versa.

As for the lawsuits thing, Intel & Apple throw more suits at their lawyers than AMD do theirs. AMD are tryng to uncover the Intel Monopoly nearly everyone knows exists and in turn create a equal platform for all companies to compete.

I'll consider Conroe when I do my next upgrade but will get whatever best suits my requirements at the time.

Proprietary Technology :thumbsdown:

Cry me a river, you people are idiots, why shouldn't a company that spends millions in R&D be allowed to protect their investment with patents? Do you actually have the faintest idea how an economy works? Without the ability to own & control land/property/intellectual property it would come crashing down very quickly...

I'm for one am against these patents, whats next people will patent a toilet sitting position. There is so much more advances in technology that we could have if not for all these patents. And u would be crashing down cause people would want u. People want money everything else is secondary.

O rly? what incentive is there to develop something, spending millions in the process, if it's just going to be ripped off? It's a basic requirement for economic growth, ownership rights.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

stipiodest thread ever.
the topifc is a bloodt question but the first post is not.
and then

AMD needs to lower prices, but.. maybe AMD needs to sue.. just not until I get my Conroe reduced in price AM2 or my E6600 or E 6700.. the exreme... for a grand.. NOT.. I am happy with E6700 performance for half that price.

what the hell are you trying to say.

I think it's wrong that Intel don't allow other CPU manufactureres to use SSE for free. I know they came up with it but it still stinks of monopolistic practices that should be stamped out. There should be a impartial body that controls the x86, SSE etc (like JEDEC does RAM) that all manufacturers must submit there specs to and that distributes them to the companies as requested.

I know it'll never happen but it does kinda stink how Intel distribute technology that is a must for the majority of PC users. If the body existed Intel would have to create marchitectures without AMD's help and vice versa.

As for the lawsuits thing, Intel & Apple throw more suits at their lawyers than AMD do theirs. AMD are tryng to uncover the Intel Monopoly nearly everyone knows exists and in turn create a equal platform for all companies to compete.

I'll consider Conroe when I do my next upgrade but will get whatever best suits my requirements at the time.

Proprietary Technology

so your against proprietry tech and still want intell to NOT allow amd to use SSE for free. your confused man.

to the OP. shut up. amd has copied a lot of technology from intell over the years and intell has copied some too.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: thestain
Is Intel above the law?

How do they get away with some of the arch stealing they have over the years?

AMD needs to lower prices, but.. maybe AMD needs to sue.. just not until I get my Conroe reduced in price AM2 or my E6600 or E 6700.. the exreme... for a grand.. NOT.. I am happy with E6700 performance for half that price.

AMD sues at the drop of a hat for any reason whatsoever. There is currently an antitrust suit pending, not its first, and certainly not its last. What else do you expect from old No. 2? :laugh:

Nothing new here.

yea i'm sure u would be happy with a monopoly, so celerons would cost 1000 dollars, right?

And actually previous law suit were case intel wanted to make stop being able to make x86 hardware. One during the days of the 386 or something.

Face it competition is good, and even though u clearly show that u prefer intel, u cant bash amd, cause they are the only reason u got such good prices on intel chips right now.

yea i'm sure you read all that somewhere in my post, wanting 1000 dollars celerons right?

Face it competition is good, unless you have to continually sue just to stay in business, so you cant bash intel cause they are the only reason you pay more for amd chips right now.

Ok so amd should not sue, and then they would have got chucked out of the x86 market, or in other words the would have been dead company. Even intel could not change from x86 itanic anyone?

And where did u get the idea that i bash intel ? I used more intel processors than amd and couldn't care which one i use as long as its fast and cheap and suits my purposes.

Also when u have no chance to stay in busines due to unfair practices what else have u got to do, what u suggest? Face what u say is biased.

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Intel and AMD do have a cross licensing agreement. Its why AMD can use SSE 1/2/3 on the A64s, and why Intel allegedly use AMD tech on their Core designs.

I think it's wrong that Intel don't allow other CPU manufactureres to use SSE for free. I know they came up with it but it still stinks of monopolistic practices that should be stamped out. There should be a impartial body that controls the x86, SSE etc (like JEDEC does RAM) that all manufacturers must submit there specs to and that distributes them to the companies as requested.

I know it'll never happen but it does kinda stink how Intel distribute technology that is a must for the majority of PC users. If the body existed Intel would have to create marchitectures without AMD's help and vice versa.

As for the lawsuits thing, Intel & Apple throw more suits at their lawyers than AMD do theirs. AMD are tryng to uncover the Intel Monopoly nearly everyone knows exists and in turn create a equal platform for all companies to compete.

I'll consider Conroe when I do my next upgrade but will get whatever best suits my requirements at the time.

Proprietary Technology :thumbsdown:

Cry me a river, you people are idiots, why shouldn't a company that spends millions in R&D be allowed to protect their investment with patents? Do you actually have the faintest idea how an economy works? Without the ability to own & control land/property/intellectual property it would come crashing down very quickly...

I'm for one am against these patents, whats next people will patent a toilet sitting position. There is so much more advances in technology that we could have if not for all these patents. And u would be crashing down cause people would want u. People want money everything else is secondary.

What the hell? dug, you used to be quite respectable but now you've just lowered yourself to another person that can't stand othe people having an opinion.

Why should Intel (the dominant Processor maker in x86) be able to essentially blackmail competitors in order for them to use x86, SSE etc? If they submited it to a standards body and got a set fee from each company that use it fine, but it should not be used as leverage to attain other IP.

I do actually know how an economy works (I did pass A level Economics & Business Studies) and no, it wouldn't come crashing down. Intel (and their ilk) would just have lower profits but the consumer would have more competition from which to choose.

Do you want Intel to be above the law or the only CPU manufacturer for the Windows OS?

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: thestain
Is Intel above the law?

How do they get away with some of the arch stealing they have over the years?

AMD needs to lower prices, but.. maybe AMD needs to sue.. just not until I get my Conroe reduced in price AM2 or my E6600 or E 6700.. the exreme... for a grand.. NOT.. I am happy with E6700 performance for half that price.

AMD sues at the drop of a hat for any reason whatsoever. There is currently an antitrust suit pending, not its first, and certainly not its last. What else do you expect from old No. 2? :laugh:

Nothing new here.

yea i'm sure u would be happy with a monopoly, so celerons would cost 1000 dollars, right?

And actually previous law suit were case intel wanted to make stop being able to make x86 hardware. One during the days of the 386 or something.

Face it competition is good, and even though u clearly show that u prefer intel, u cant bash amd, cause they are the only reason u got such good prices on intel chips right now.

It's Felix...he knows what hes talking about..

:thumbsup:

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: thestain
Is Intel above the law?

How do they get away with some of the arch stealing they have over the years?

AMD needs to lower prices, but.. maybe AMD needs to sue.. just not until I get my Conroe reduced in price AM2 or my E6600 or E 6700.. the exreme... for a grand.. NOT.. I am happy with E6700 performance for half that price.

AMD sues at the drop of a hat for any reason whatsoever. There is currently an antitrust suit pending, not its first, and certainly not its last. What else do you expect from old No. 2? :laugh:

Nothing new here.

yea i'm sure u would be happy with a monopoly, so celerons would cost 1000 dollars, right?

And actually previous law suit were case intel wanted to make stop being able to make x86 hardware. One during the days of the 386 or something.

Face it competition is good, and even though u clearly show that u prefer intel, u cant bash amd, cause they are the only reason u got such good prices on intel chips right now.

yea i'm sure you read all that somewhere in my post, wanting 1000 dollars celerons right?

Face it competition is good, unless you have to continually sue just to stay in business, so you cant bash intel cause they are the only reason you pay more for amd chips right now.

Ok so amd should not sue, and then they would have got chucked out of the x86 market, or in other words the would have been dead company. Even intel could not change from x86 itanic anyone?

And where did u get the idea that i bash intel ? I used more intel processors than amd and couldn't care which one i use as long as its fast and cheap and suits my purposes.

Also when u have no chance to stay in busines due to unfair practices what else have u got to do, what u suggest? Face what u say is biased.

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Intel and AMD do have a cross licensing agreement. Its why AMD can use SSE 1/2/3 on the A64s, and why Intel allegedly use AMD tech on their Core designs.

I think it's wrong that Intel don't allow other CPU manufactureres to use SSE for free. I know they came up with it but it still stinks of monopolistic practices that should be stamped out. There should be a impartial body that controls the x86, SSE etc (like JEDEC does RAM) that all manufacturers must submit there specs to and that distributes them to the companies as requested.

I know it'll never happen but it does kinda stink how Intel distribute technology that is a must for the majority of PC users. If the body existed Intel would have to create marchitectures without AMD's help and vice versa.

As for the lawsuits thing, Intel & Apple throw more suits at their lawyers than AMD do theirs. AMD are tryng to uncover the Intel Monopoly nearly everyone knows exists and in turn create a equal platform for all companies to compete.

I'll consider Conroe when I do my next upgrade but will get whatever best suits my requirements at the time.

Proprietary Technology :thumbsdown:

Cry me a river, you people are idiots, why shouldn't a company that spends millions in R&D be allowed to protect their investment with patents? Do you actually have the faintest idea how an economy works? Without the ability to own & control land/property/intellectual property it would come crashing down very quickly...

I'm for one am against these patents, whats next people will patent a toilet sitting position. There is so much more advances in technology that we could have if not for all these patents. And u would be crashing down cause people would want u. People want money everything else is secondary.

You are correct as ever Dug.

 

[JEDIYoda]

tanishalfelven
Senior Member
What the hell? dug, you used to be quite respectable but now you've just lowered yourself to another person that can't stand othe people having an opinion.

Why should Intel (the dominant Processor maker in x86) be able to essentially blackmail competitors in order for them to use x86, SSE etc? If they submited it to a standards body and got a set fee from each company that use it fine, but it should not be used as leverage to attain other IP.

I do actually know how an economy works (I did pass A level Economics & Business Studies) and no, it wouldn't come crashing down. Intel (and their ilk) would just have lower profits but the consumer would have more competition from which to choose.

Do you want Intel to be above the law or the only CPU manufacturer for the Windows OS?

Why should a company like Intel or for that matter any company that developes and spends there R&D dollars to develope something have to share at all?

Its there property!!

I don`t understand why some snot nose kid who is probably not even out of high school thinks that once something is developed the company that developes it should lose the rights to that product...too funny

 

[AlabamaCajun]

If intels hand had not been forced them we would be raving over 686 2ghz chips at this time.
What I don't get is why the trademark offices would allow a company to trademark Core or Windows. Those are words used in common sentences. "Where's Denny Craine when you need him "

 

[thestain]

In spite of everything.. Intel and Microsoft and others enjoy unfair competitive advantages.. While I would like the best for myself.. which might end up being a Intel system.. I sympathize with AMD..

Sure there have been agreements.. but.. while Intel has it engineers on explaining and taking credit for advances found in recent cpus and Conroe.. a quick check and you will find that AMD filed for patents for many of these features 2-4 years ago in anticipation of introducing them into their cpus.. only thing is Intel has beaten AMD to the punch with some of AMD's own technology this time.

So.. age old question.. is it better to file a patent.. for AMD.. when as some have posted here.. Intel appears to have right to use.. or wait?

anyone remember how Intel has been involved in memory standards.. and how with higher bandwidth, higher latency design.. they have played a big part in keeping DDR2 where it has remained the past couple years?

DDR 3 is just around the corner.. will Intel keep latencies up again??

What amazes me is how AMD is able to compete at all, considering the unlevel playing field.

But.. the worst monopolist has got to be Microsoft.. one of the greatest reasons for the complexities in Windows has been and will continue to be related to the software written to run on Windows and making it expensive and not worth the software developers time and money to develop that software for any other platform.

but.. that is another story..

nVidia is run much like Intel.. be interesting to see how things pan out if and when they compete on the same turf..

The Stain

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
tanishalfelven
Senior Member
What the hell? dug, you used to be quite respectable but now you've just lowered yourself to another person that can't stand othe people having an opinion.

Why should Intel (the dominant Processor maker in x86) be able to essentially blackmail competitors in order for them to use x86, SSE etc? If they submited it to a standards body and got a set fee from each company that use it fine, but it should not be used as leverage to attain other IP.

I do actually know how an economy works (I did pass A level Economics & Business Studies) and no, it wouldn't come crashing down. Intel (and their ilk) would just have lower profits but the consumer would have more competition from which to choose.

Do you want Intel to be above the law or the only CPU manufacturer for the Windows OS?

Why should a company like Intel or for that matter any company that developes and spends there R&D dollars to develope something have to share at all?

Its there property!!

I don`t understand why some snot nose kid who is probably not even out of high school thinks that once something is developed the company that developes it should lose the rights to that product...too funny

i've tried to point that out, but what more can i do? Private ownership is the basis of a successful economy...without it any incentive to develop/innovate vanishes, because you stand to lose all your work to anyone who feels like ripping you off. Why is that concept so hard to grasp?

 

[catalysts17az]

well it smells like teen spirit.
Look guys, all testosterone (i think i mispelled the T word) aside, competition is good for all of us, the consumer. and while I'm a big fan of AMD, if they do fall behind they'll come back. Now for my personal opinions about what AMD should do with there prices. ( a smart move, doesn't mean i like it) They should come out with cheap AM2 Processors and increase the 939's prices as well. by doing this, it puts more AM2 systems in peoples homes, and they have come out kinda of cheap, but not cheaper than their 939's counter parts. Performance at this time is practicaly the same according anantechs reviews. However now lets talk about "best bang for the dollar, and at this time its Intel. Intel is out too dominate by dropping there dual core prices insanely! If intel wants too put a real hurt on amd then this is a smart move, however their profit margin will decrease significantly. Microsoft did this with thier X box and now the X Box 360 is the first out the door and has Sony playing catch up. Sony will catch up, but clearly sony has some serious competition. But back to what intel is doing, its cutting prices and getting back into the majority of homes again with aggressive pricing. Short Term winners here....US Long term loosers here....US ...if AMD falls out. and just one more fact. intel is one of the few american tech companies ( i think there still american..did they sell out to Lenovo too? j/K laters

 

[catalysts17az]

posted in the wrong place, sorry just feeling very sick